WJC: Thanks for the memories, Team Canada

bingofuel
January 06 2010 10:23AM

Regardless of what Willis has to say about Jordan Eberle's future in the NHL, I can't help but be beaming at this young man's performance in the World Junior Tournament. Whether he's breaking out, or in some kind of weird career Twilight Zone of Goodness right now isn't really that important to me.

OK, it *is* important. Or rather, it will be important once the memories of the tournament fade. Because despite the fact that Canada lost the gold-medal match (to an outstanding Team USA, can I just say), Eberle was the tournament MVP, and right now we honour his contribution to Canadian hockey.

Later on this week, we can resume the hand-wringing. Right now, let's be proud he's playing for the good guys.

Also, to the people of Saskatchewan: you are a classy bunch of hosts, and the way you all cheered on Team USA when they won the game last night was astonishing and inspirational. A lesser audience might have filed out quietly. A douchier audience would have booed, but not you. You applauded a well-fought tournament, and a winning Team USA. You've done this Nation proud.

In the words of CanucksArmy General Cam Davie: "The fans in Saskatoon are showing insane amounts of class. Good on ya.

To Team USA: We'll see you boys next year. Oh yes. We will.

Now I feel like eating a sandwich...

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#101 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 06 2010, 10:39PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

WITH EBERLE WE WILL WIN THE CUP!!

there, I said it.

~the joey moss cup?~

damn caution, glass half empty side of my brain again

riot on Whyte!!!!!! woooooooooo

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#102 Crash
January 06 2010, 10:39PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

see post 77.

I may be confusing talk about career with talk about next year.

I'm all for NOT putting any sort of point total or goal total expectations on Eberle early in his career. But I believe he's on this team next year and that he is a positive factor in this lineup.

If for some reason he's not ready which I can't see then by all means send him to the AHL but I sure hope they don't send him there just because.

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#103 dragon
January 06 2010, 10:41PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Thank you for putting what I'm thinking into words.

as much as I like Eberle, I think we should be very cautious.

after all, it's the Oilers we're talking about. how many stars have they developed in the last 10 years?

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#104 GSC
January 06 2010, 10:41PM
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Crash wrote:

I'm all for NOT putting any sort of point total or goal total expectations on Eberle early in his career. But I believe he's on this team next year and that he is a positive factor in this lineup.

If for some reason he's not ready which I can't see then by all means send him to the AHL but I sure hope they don't send him there just because.

Eleventy Billion points!

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#105 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 06 2010, 10:42PM
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dragon wrote:

as much as I like Eberle, I think we should be very cautious.

after all, it's the Oilers we're talking about. how many stars have they developed in the last 10 years?

****bangs head on desk****

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#106 Eddie Shore
January 06 2010, 10:43PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

****bangs head on desk****

On that note, adieu.

that means goodbye, right?

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#107 dragon
January 06 2010, 10:49PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

On that note, adieu.

that means goodbye, right?

sorry, guys, forgot to show my sarcasm: ~............~

the kid is pretty cool. that's why I'm thinking the DFF should aim for Cam Fowler iso Taylor Hall...

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#108 Crash
January 06 2010, 10:49PM
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GSC wrote:

Eleventy Billion points!

Yeah, that's it, Eleventy Billion...

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#109 Crash
January 06 2010, 10:51PM
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dragon wrote:

sorry, guys, forgot to show my sarcasm: ~............~

the kid is pretty cool. that's why I'm thinking the DFF should aim for Cam Fowler iso Taylor Hall...

I have this feeling you'll get your wish...my prediction is 4th last ahead of Toronto, Columbus and Carolina...I just hope we don't take that Russian player and have to deal with his constant threats to play in the KHL

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#110 Jaime
January 06 2010, 11:52PM
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I believe the Oilers will win the Cup in the near future, because the only way it will happen is if we all believe. Sounds cheesy, but it's true.

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#111 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 06 2010, 11:57PM
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GSC wrote:

You're lumping us in with the beer leaguers who have no idea what they're talking about? I'm talking about the "we" as in the readers of this site, apparently we aren't on the same page.

Again, those of us with half a brain don't need to have this stuff shoved down our throats. I think you can agree with that, no?

Yes I am, obviously their are a handful of intilligent posters here, but I've seen a pile of sheep as well.

Shoved down your throat? Simple solution is to skip the article.

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#112 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
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Eddie Shore wrote:

So what has Eberle, not Schremp, not Gagner, not O'Sullivan, not Pouliot, shown that leads you to be so cautious? Each player is different. Each person is different. I suppose that is why I am not as "cautious" as you.

Small, not overly fast, not a great shot (Brule for example has a great shot and can beat NHL goalies striaght up).

My major question is how well his game will tranlate to the NHL. His biggest attribute seems to be "finding space" anyone that follows the CHL knows the two leagues are very different. Their is alot less space to find in the NHL, and when their is space, it's closed alot quicker.

Big scoring numbers at 19 in the CHL also isn't that impressive

Again, I'm not saying he wont make the transition, just saying it's not a slam dunk that he will.

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#113 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 07 2010, 12:03AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

No way that statement is true. No way. Seriously? You're kidding me, right? You did not have to listen to that convo, you're making it up. I don't believe you.

Sadly I did. They are the same guys that wanted to give up on Smid after one year, blamed all of last year on MacT and like to play the salary game though, so they need to be taken with a grain of salt.

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#114 J-rock
January 07 2010, 12:22AM
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I liked how the ref immediately waved off Schremp's goal when he was standing 5 feet away and the swing clearly came in at the waist.

As for Eberle, it seems he has the hockey sense, and hopefully that will translate from junior to the big time.

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#115 PattQuinn'sChesthair
January 07 2010, 12:29AM
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Jaime wrote:

I believe the Oilers will win the Cup in the near future, because the only way it will happen is if we all believe. Sounds cheesy, but it's true.

ummmm.... really?

In that case I choose to believe that little fairies will visit me in the night and sprinkle my wallet with magic dust. When i wake in the morning, there will be a magic $100 bill that no matter how many times I take it out to spend it, will always reappear the next time I need it. But I need all of you Nationeers to get behind me and believe. JUST BELIEVE. Because then it will happen, no really, it will.

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#116 Jamie B.
January 07 2010, 01:34AM
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Jaime wrote:

I believe the Oilers will win the Cup in the near future, because the only way it will happen is if we all believe. Sounds cheesy, but it's true.

I'd just like to point out that it wasn't me who said this, in case anyone was thinking it was.

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#117 Crash
January 07 2010, 07:57AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Small, not overly fast, not a great shot (Brule for example has a great shot and can beat NHL goalies striaght up).

My major question is how well his game will tranlate to the NHL. His biggest attribute seems to be "finding space" anyone that follows the CHL knows the two leagues are very different. Their is alot less space to find in the NHL, and when their is space, it's closed alot quicker.

Big scoring numbers at 19 in the CHL also isn't that impressive

Again, I'm not saying he wont make the transition, just saying it's not a slam dunk that he will.

Have you got anything good to say about Eberle?....all I've ever heard from you are reasons why he can't make it (ie: too small, no speed, no shot, scoring numbers in the CHL aren't impressive)...anything? Do you have anything other than just you qualify all of these bad points by stating you aren't saying he won't make the transition?

How about clutch performances on the world stage more than once? How about having scored more goals at the WJHC than any Canadian player in the history of that tournament? How about scoring numbers at the WJHC? How about averaging a point per game in his first 9 games in the AHL? How about being named top forward and MVP at the WJHC? How about numerous other players and scouts saying this player is the real deal including one of your favorites (Horcoff)? How about his leadership abilities that are well documented?

Anything at all that leads you to believe that the kid stands a pretty good chance of being a sound NHLer? Anything that gives you something to look forward to?

Or is it simply state all the factors that play against him and then just cover yourself by saying "I'm not saying he won't make it"?

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#118 devoknows
January 07 2010, 08:05AM
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Hey Crash maybe that joker is worried Eberle will take that superstar Horcoughs spot on the team. Now he has to buy a new jersey, redecorate the livingroom, paint over the giant number 10 he put on his garage door. This could be an absolute tragedy for poor OOB

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#119 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 07 2010, 08:12AM
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Crash wrote:

Have you got anything good to say about Eberle?....all I've ever heard from you are reasons why he can't make it (ie: too small, no speed, no shot, scoring numbers in the CHL aren't impressive)...anything? Do you have anything other than just you qualify all of these bad points by stating you aren't saying he won't make the transition?

How about clutch performances on the world stage more than once? How about having scored more goals at the WJHC than any Canadian player in the history of that tournament? How about scoring numbers at the WJHC? How about averaging a point per game in his first 9 games in the AHL? How about being named top forward and MVP at the WJHC? How about numerous other players and scouts saying this player is the real deal including one of your favorites (Horcoff)? How about his leadership abilities that are well documented?

Anything at all that leads you to believe that the kid stands a pretty good chance of being a sound NHLer? Anything that gives you something to look forward to?

Or is it simply state all the factors that play against him and then just cover yourself by saying "I'm not saying he won't make it"?

didnt someone ask for reasons why he might not make it?

perhaps looking at the context of the post might be a decent idea.

as for

Anything at all that leads you to believe that the kid stands a pretty good chance of being a sound NHLer?

if you arent seeing anything, you need to get your head out of the clouds for a minute. yes, 110% yes, he is the best player in junior right now. but do we honestly have to start listing off the trail of bodies that have been great junior players and not made the jump to the NHL?

again, i am not at all saying eberle will fall into that category. But, until he actually makes the NHL and produces, it is a possibilty that is definately out there.

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#120 Crash
January 07 2010, 08:28AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

didnt someone ask for reasons why he might not make it?

perhaps looking at the context of the post might be a decent idea.

as for

Anything at all that leads you to believe that the kid stands a pretty good chance of being a sound NHLer?

if you arent seeing anything, you need to get your head out of the clouds for a minute. yes, 110% yes, he is the best player in junior right now. but do we honestly have to start listing off the trail of bodies that have been great junior players and not made the jump to the NHL?

again, i am not at all saying eberle will fall into that category. But, until he actually makes the NHL and produces, it is a possibilty that is definately out there.

I don't remember someone asking for reasons and it's not just in this post...it's in all of them...the same guys bashing him and MPS and Taylor Hall....for every trail of bodies that have been great juniors and not made the jump there are a trail of bodies that have been great juniors and made it. How often in the history of the Oilers prospects have we had this many prospects do this well at the junior level and I'm not just talking the CHL. Who was the last Oiler to dominate at the WJHC or be in the top 5 scoreres at that tournament? This year we have 2.

Yes I agree that the possibility exists that the kid might not make it but I think the possibilities are more likely to be that he will and that he will become a key component to a successful team. Eberle and MPS are showing more promise than any Oiler prospect has in a long time other than maybe Gagner. People are acknowleging what Eberle has done and are positive and excited about the accomplishments.

Saying there's a chance he might not make it is one thing but to continually bash all the kids so called weaknesses and never have anything positive to say about his accomplishments says what? You tell me?

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#121 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 07 2010, 08:42AM
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Crash wrote:

Have you got anything good to say about Eberle?....all I've ever heard from you are reasons why he can't make it (ie: too small, no speed, no shot, scoring numbers in the CHL aren't impressive)...anything? Do you have anything other than just you qualify all of these bad points by stating you aren't saying he won't make the transition?

How about clutch performances on the world stage more than once? How about having scored more goals at the WJHC than any Canadian player in the history of that tournament? How about scoring numbers at the WJHC? How about averaging a point per game in his first 9 games in the AHL? How about being named top forward and MVP at the WJHC? How about numerous other players and scouts saying this player is the real deal including one of your favorites (Horcoff)? How about his leadership abilities that are well documented?

Anything at all that leads you to believe that the kid stands a pretty good chance of being a sound NHLer? Anything that gives you something to look forward to?

Or is it simply state all the factors that play against him and then just cover yourself by saying "I'm not saying he won't make it"?

I was directly answering another posters questions as to why I was cautious:

"So what has Eberle, not Schremp, not Gagner, not O'Sullivan, not Pouliot, shown that leads you to be so cautious? Each player is different. Each person is different. I suppose that is why I am not as "cautious" as you."

Look for context before you have a hissy fit.

Also, I should note that it isn't even Eberle specificaly, I'm "cautious" about every prospect.... Hence why they are called prospects, not proven players.

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#122 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 07 2010, 08:46AM
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Crash wrote:

I don't remember someone asking for reasons and it's not just in this post...it's in all of them...the same guys bashing him and MPS and Taylor Hall....for every trail of bodies that have been great juniors and not made the jump there are a trail of bodies that have been great juniors and made it. How often in the history of the Oilers prospects have we had this many prospects do this well at the junior level and I'm not just talking the CHL. Who was the last Oiler to dominate at the WJHC or be in the top 5 scoreres at that tournament? This year we have 2.

Yes I agree that the possibility exists that the kid might not make it but I think the possibilities are more likely to be that he will and that he will become a key component to a successful team. Eberle and MPS are showing more promise than any Oiler prospect has in a long time other than maybe Gagner. People are acknowleging what Eberle has done and are positive and excited about the accomplishments.

Saying there's a chance he might not make it is one thing but to continually bash all the kids so called weaknesses and never have anything positive to say about his accomplishments says what? You tell me?

I didn't ask for reasons why he might not make it. I wanted to see his stats to see (comparatively) how he was doing compared to other hyped players (namely Sam Gagner) in response to Willis' question about who you'd keep if you had to choose.

Like I said in the other post - it's not a stretch to assume that great players in the CHL have a better chance to become great players in the NHL. That's why we have talent scouts, and that's why some players are favoured in the draft over others. Like Willis said, it's all about percentages. With your draft picks, you want to maximize your chances that the player you pick is going to be an NHL star. You do this by looking at their play, and their numbers in junior. To say that the numbers in junior don't matter (like so many people did in the other post) is stupid. They do matter.

Edit: Apparently I didn't look at context before jumping in here. I'm not actually going to rewrite my post, though.

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#123 VK63
January 07 2010, 10:00AM
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PattQuinn'sChesthair wrote:

ummmm.... really?

In that case I choose to believe that little fairies will visit me in the night and sprinkle my wallet with magic dust. When i wake in the morning, there will be a magic $100 bill that no matter how many times I take it out to spend it, will always reappear the next time I need it. But I need all of you Nationeers to get behind me and believe. JUST BELIEVE. Because then it will happen, no really, it will.

Hey.. carefull..... it worked to the tune of uber millions for "The Secret"

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#124 Bucknuck
January 07 2010, 10:09AM
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dragon wrote:

as much as I like Eberle, I think we should be very cautious.

after all, it's the Oilers we're talking about. how many stars have they developed in the last 10 years?

It depends what you consider a "star" I guess. I would consider Hemsky a star, and perhaps Penner this year. We have a defense star in Visnovsky, though the Oilers did not develop him. Is "star" a top 30 kind of distinction or a top 10. Remember there are 30 teams in the league.

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#125 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 07 2010, 10:27AM
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@Crash

....for every trail of bodies that have been great juniors and not made the jump there are a trail of bodies that have been great juniors and made it.

are you honestly suggesting for every junior star that doesnt make it there is one that does?

do i really need to waste my time and dig up the numbers?

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#126 Gunner
January 07 2010, 10:28AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Small, not overly fast, not a great shot (Brule for example has a great shot and can beat NHL goalies striaght up).

My major question is how well his game will tranlate to the NHL. His biggest attribute seems to be "finding space" anyone that follows the CHL knows the two leagues are very different. Their is alot less space to find in the NHL, and when their is space, it's closed alot quicker.

Big scoring numbers at 19 in the CHL also isn't that impressive

Again, I'm not saying he wont make the transition, just saying it's not a slam dunk that he will.

Speed can be worked on and so can his shot. Your example of Brule; what was his shot like when he first joined CBJ out of junior?

Point is Eberle has way more going for him than against him so there is no need to be so cautious and to compare him to Schremp and other first round busts (which I know you did not).

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#127 VK63
January 07 2010, 10:32AM
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I think eberles max upside is something like lucky luc. Hes got the lucky thing down anyways.... unless you buy into the peeair hype and when a puck bounces in off your leg that becomes, "he loaded the team on his back". or.. sweden produces hockey players but Canada produces winners and Jordan Eberle is winner personified.

~just bring him up so the oilers make the playoffs........ already~

And the saddest thing.... in this schmoz that is the OIlers year... they are probably considering it. Now that wouldnt reek of desperation would it?

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#128 OILERSORDEATH
January 07 2010, 10:36AM
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Damn is it all we do is trash our prospects jesus christ boys lets be positive and excited about what possibly could be. MPS and Eberle impressed the hell out of me. It could be worse we could have those two inbreed d!ck bag Sedins that give Canuck fans hope only to crush it because they cant rise up in the playoffs. That EFFIN sucks. Things are gonna happen and soon Oiler hockey will be back.

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#129 The Real Scuba Steve
January 07 2010, 10:44AM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Damn is it all we do is trash our prospects jesus christ boys lets be positive and excited about what possibly could be. MPS and Eberle impressed the hell out of me. It could be worse we could have those two inbreed d!ck bag Sedins that give Canuck fans hope only to crush it because they cant rise up in the playoffs. That EFFIN sucks. Things are gonna happen and soon Oiler hockey will be back.

These discussions about our prospects where brought up last year, the year before that, oh yea and the year before that... Oiler hockey will back soon? It will be much later.

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#130 The Towel Boy
January 07 2010, 10:47AM
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Soooo...it's about this sandwich. Looks good. Meaty. Heroic. Mmmmm.

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#131 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 07 2010, 10:53AM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Damn is it all we do is trash our prospects jesus christ boys lets be positive and excited about what possibly could be. MPS and Eberle impressed the hell out of me. It could be worse we could have those two inbreed d!ck bag Sedins that give Canuck fans hope only to crush it because they cant rise up in the playoffs. That EFFIN sucks. Things are gonna happen and soon Oiler hockey will be back.

i might still be half asleep, but where did someone trash oiler prospects?

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#132 Chris.
January 07 2010, 10:58AM
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Again. With prospects, it's about tools and results/development. Eberle lacks many of the obvious tools regular NHL players have at their disposal. That was why he went 22nd overall and not in the top five. Eberle has been all that and a bag of chips for a late first rounder... But there are no guarantees that he will produce well at the NHL level. Let's take a wait and see approach. The Oilers have to market something.... and they have become experts at marketing the future.

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#133 TigerUnderGlass
January 07 2010, 11:15AM
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There seem to be a lot of talk about his shot, but I don't really know what the problem is. It might not be that heavy but he clearly has a VERY quick release and shoots most frequently from very dangerous areas. I think this well makes up for deficiencies found in the shot itself.

The bigger problem is that it remains to be seen if he has the other tools to compete against players the size and strength of NHL players. It happens dozens of times a year in almost every sport.

Here is a question for anyone here who follows college football that relates to the Eberle issue. Where do you think Tim Tebow will be drafted? He is one of the most dominant players in college football, he is a Heisman winner, yet he probably wont even be drafted to play quarterback unless Miami wants him to play wildcat or some fool thing. Maybe he goes in the 5th or 6th round as a fullback or something. He will almost certainly never be an impact player in the NFL.

Example II: The best college basketball team of all time was the 1990 UNLV squad. The only starter for that team to not play in the NBA was their leading scorer, Anderson Hunt. He was unbelievable against college opposition but had little chance against bigger fast3er NBA players. Best scorer I've ever seen in college was Bo Kimble - complete and total bust in the NBA. Christian Laettner was quite possibly the best college player of all time but was a marginal NBA player.

The point is simply that an ability to dominate lower level of competition means little in terms of being able to play at higher levels unless the necessary tools are there.

I have a very hard time getting too excited about any prospect unless they have pretty much every necessary physical tool, and have dominated lower competition levels, because they still have everything to prove.

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#134 Bucknuck
January 07 2010, 11:16AM
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I think it is great we are having this discussion. He was a 22nd overall pick. That is quite late to have a prospect that is this exciting.

We have two groups of people here:

Group A: they want to believe. They have to be hopeful and excited about something, otherwise what is the point of being a fan. Let's embrace the success that the young folk are having and to hell with the naysayers. This is Oil Country and we have an opportunity to get excited, so don't ruin it.

Group B: they want to temper their expectations. There have been just too many dissappointments in the last few years. Let's keep our optimism in check with a healthy dose of realism. This group will be more than happy to be pleasantly surprised, but don't want to get too optimistic for fear of being dissappointed again. Another fear is setting a young player up for failure.

I agree with both view points. Neither is wrong. It is just a different way of looking at it. Everyone wants Eberle and MPS to be superstars, not everyone expects it to happen. I don't expect it. I hope. I am excited, but if he even becomes a regular in the lineup I will be happy. If a 22nd pick becomes and NHL regular then the scouting staff did well. Good work; slow clap for the scouts.

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#135 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 07 2010, 11:19AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

There seem to be a lot of talk about his shot, but I don't really know what the problem is. It might not be that heavy but he clearly has a VERY quick release and shoots most frequently from very dangerous areas. I think this well makes up for deficiencies found in the shot itself.

The bigger problem is that it remains to be seen if he has the other tools to compete against players the size and strength of NHL players. It happens dozens of times a year in almost every sport.

Here is a question for anyone here who follows college football that relates to the Eberle issue. Where do you think Tim Tebow will be drafted? He is one of the most dominant players in college football, he is a Heisman winner, yet he probably wont even be drafted to play quarterback unless Miami wants him to play wildcat or some fool thing. Maybe he goes in the 5th or 6th round as a fullback or something. He will almost certainly never be an impact player in the NFL.

Example II: The best college basketball team of all time was the 1990 UNLV squad. The only starter for that team to not play in the NBA was their leading scorer, Anderson Hunt. He was unbelievable against college opposition but had little chance against bigger fast3er NBA players. Best scorer I've ever seen in college was Bo Kimble - complete and total bust in the NBA. Christian Laettner was quite possibly the best college player of all time but was a marginal NBA player.

The point is simply that an ability to dominate lower level of competition means little in terms of being able to play at higher levels unless the necessary tools are there.

I have a very hard time getting too excited about any prospect unless they have pretty much every necessary physical tool, and have dominated lower competition levels, because they still have everything to prove.

I've brought up his shot, main reason was the same as your college to pro examples. As you've said, he's got a quick release but he still needs to prove it is effective against NHL tenders.

Also, good comparisons. Theirs been lots of guys that look great at lower levels but never translate.

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#136 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 07 2010, 11:20AM
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I think it is great we are having this discussion. He was a 22nd overall pick. That is quite late to have a prospect that is this exciting.

We have two groups of people here:

Group A: they want to believe. They have to be hopeful and excited about something, otherwise what is the point of being a fan. Let's embrace the success that the young folk are having and to hell with the naysayers. This is Oil Country and we have an opportunity to get excited, so don't ruin it.

Group B: they want to temper their expectations. There have been just too many dissappointments in the last few years. Let's keep our optimism in check with a healthy dose of realism. This group will be more than happy to be pleasantly surprised, but don't want to get too optimistic for fear of being dissappointed again. Another fear is setting a young player up for failure.

I agree with both view points. Neither is wrong. It is just a different way of looking at it. Everyone wants Eberle and MPS to be superstars, not everyone expects it to happen. I don't expect it. I hope. I am excited, but if he even becomes a regular in the lineup I will be happy. If a 22nd pick becomes and NHL regular then the scouting staff did well. Good work; slow clap for the scouts.

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#137 Chris.
January 07 2010, 11:26AM
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Props. You make a point and back it with examples.

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#138 roughneck
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" lets be positive and excited about what possibly could be"

Sorry... just struck me as funny.... in a gene principe kind of way.

So anyone else fill out the OIlers season seat holder survey? Were U kind, did U rip them... did u click the box for the chance to win 100 bucks of Oilers swag?

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#139 TigerUnderGlass
January 07 2010, 11:28AM
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I can agree that he needs to prove his shot certainly.

It's just that it's almost being referred to as a negative against him, and his release is one of the few things he has going for him that I actually do believe is big league material.

Almost all his other physical tools are things he will have to improve or overcome to become a player.

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#140 TigerUnderGlass
January 07 2010, 11:33AM
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Everyone wants Eberle and MPS to be superstars

Bingo. I can say with a fair level of confidence that nearly everyone on this site, minus RossCreek, feels exactly this way.

However, it is not fair, neither to our sanity nor to the prospects themselves, to expect it. The weight of expectation can be daunting, and I would rather see these guys become as good as they can be without dragging around the extra pounds.

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#141 Crash
January 07 2010, 11:46AM
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" lets be positive and excited about what possibly could be"

Sorry... just struck me as funny.... in a gene principe kind of way.

So anyone else fill out the OIlers season seat holder survey? Were U kind, did U rip them... did u click the box for the chance to win 100 bucks of Oilers swag?

I ripped em and ripped the rumour going around about licensing fees for the new rink. The price of season tickets is high enough without extra fees especially when you have to drive in from Red Deer for every game.

Yes I did click the box for the chance to win Oilers swag. Afterall, I am an Oilers fan, win or lose.

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#142 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
January 07 2010, 11:55AM
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There seem to be a lot of talk about his shot, but I don't really know what the problem is. It might not be that heavy but he clearly has a VERY quick release and shoots most frequently from very dangerous areas. I think this well makes up for deficiencies found in the shot itself.

The bigger problem is that it remains to be seen if he has the other tools to compete against players the size and strength of NHL players. It happens dozens of times a year in almost every sport.

Here is a question for anyone here who follows college football that relates to the Eberle issue. Where do you think Tim Tebow will be drafted? He is one of the most dominant players in college football, he is a Heisman winner, yet he probably wont even be drafted to play quarterback unless Miami wants him to play wildcat or some fool thing. Maybe he goes in the 5th or 6th round as a fullback or something. He will almost certainly never be an impact player in the NFL.

Example II: The best college basketball team of all time was the 1990 UNLV squad. The only starter for that team to not play in the NBA was their leading scorer, Anderson Hunt. He was unbelievable against college opposition but had little chance against bigger fast3er NBA players. Best scorer I've ever seen in college was Bo Kimble - complete and total bust in the NBA. Christian Laettner was quite possibly the best college player of all time but was a marginal NBA player.

The point is simply that an ability to dominate lower level of competition means little in terms of being able to play at higher levels unless the necessary tools are there.

I have a very hard time getting too excited about any prospect unless they have pretty much every necessary physical tool, and have dominated lower competition levels, because they still have everything to prove.

Good examples, but I disagree with your assertion that the ability to dominate has little to do with sucess at higher levels.

Talent scouts look for talent at lower levels. If talent at lower levels didn't have a high probability of translating to talent at higher levels, they wouldn't bother.

I think we should be viewing the spectacular failures (such as Schremp and the ones you listed as your examples) as the exception rather than the rule.

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#143 Chris.
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I've e-mailed every Rexall Sport And Entertainment channel I can think of; including sending e-mails to the personal accounts of several people on Katz's Oiler aquisition team asking about potential seat licence fees. I have recieved only one response. (When I get home I will copy this response and post it here)...

The jist... Lisence fees have not been ruled out.

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#144 Crash
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Chris. wrote:

I've e-mailed every Rexall Sport And Entertainment channel I can think of; including sending e-mails to the personal accounts of several people on Katz's Oiler aquisition team asking about potential seat licence fees. I have recieved only one response. (When I get home I will copy this response and post it here)...

The jist... Lisence fees have not been ruled out.

What exactly is a licence fee and what would it get the person who pays it? Would it be a one time upfront fee or is it annual? Any rumours on how much this fee might be? Would it possibly give me the right of first refusal to my seats for any event that takes place in the arena? Such as concerts, rodeos, monster trucks, etc.?

In any event on the surface I sure don't like the sound of it.

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#145 BUCK75
January 07 2010, 12:15PM
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I ripped em and ripped the rumour going around about licensing fees for the new rink. The price of season tickets is high enough without extra fees especially when you have to drive in from Red Deer for every game.

Yes I did click the box for the chance to win Oilers swag. Afterall, I am an Oilers fan, win or lose.

Me too - lot's of 3's in my survey because they have neither exceeded or disappointed in any of my expectations at RX1. Until you build a new rink then we can be disappointed by service & quality of team etc. If you expected them to be a play-off team you would be disappointed I guess.

The service at RX1 is what it is. Food sucks, will be solved with a new rink. Last years survey was asking about what kind of food we wanted & it hasn't changed. What about all the vegan hockey fans who want sushi? They must just do the survey to tell us that they can exceed expectations in the new rink.

I also checked the box for the $100. Ending my rambling...

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#146 BUCK75
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Here is the jist on Leaf's licenses

http://www.etorontotickets.com/leafLicenses/

FAQ's include: Why would anyone want to purchase a seat license? Is owning a seat license a good or even better still a great investment? Does purchasing a seat license during a recessionary period really make sense?

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http://www.seasonticketrights.com/TeamSeats.aspx?lid=25

Here are what PSL's are worth on open market in Toronto.

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#148 Chris.
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Season seat holders may be asked to pay a one time fee for the right to transfer their tenure as seat holders over to the new building. Corporations can "write off" a portion of these fees... private citizens cannot. It's simple economics. If 30 000 people want 15 000 seats; a fee can be set to weed out those less serious, or financially capable of maintaining access. I can't afford additional fees... and I don't want to watch three or four more years of a rebuilding team in an aging facility only to be forced out by those with deeper pockets just as a competative team is launched downtown. I suspect, loyalty means little in the face of a potentially new revenue stream.

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#149 roughneck
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I am really hung on what to do as far as a renewal goes, IMO its been really poor value as an overall experience, the on ice product will be variant and I get that but the scoreboard and the lounge and the entire RX1 schtick is getting old and frankly tiresome. I did not tick the swag box, I couldnt find one of those killer bags that gregor has on the gdb .. too bad.. Id be all over one.

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#150 Crash
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Chris. wrote:

Season seat holders may be asked to pay a one time fee for the right to transfer their tenure as seat holders over to the new building. Corporations can "write off" a portion of these fees... private citizens cannot. It's simple economics. If 30 000 people want 15 000 seats; a fee can be set to weed out those less serious, or financially capable of maintaining access. I can't afford additional fees... and I don't want to watch three or four more years of a rebuilding team in an aging facility only to be forced out by those with deeper pockets just as a competative team is launched downtown. I suspect, loyalty means little in the face of a potentially new revenue stream.

Holy crap...fees in TO are huge. I'm in agreement. I can't afford these fees...if these fees are coming then I may as well back out of my season seats now.

Oilers might have to be careful. From what I understand at least 80% of the season seat holders are just regular fans and not corporations. This seat licence thing could backfire on them.

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