THANK GOODNESS: NOT DONE YET

Robin Brownlee
July 09 2012 01:41PM

Jason Gregor, who has lost his mind and is jumping out of planes with old ladies, is talking about his obsession with sun dresses again (watching them, not wearing them) and, ahem, tennis.

Keener Jonathan Willis is taking time away from writing 17 stories a day to dutifully mock bogus rumor-mongers on the internet (this is a worthwhile pursuit and should be applauded and encouraged).

Jason Strudwick is providing us with the inside dope about life in the NHL – he had a prime seat from the end of the bench and the press box – and talking chips and dip, at least until some NHL team gets smart and offers him a gig as an assistant coach.

Me? Even in my days working the hockey beat with the dailies, this is the time of the off-season, after the Entry Draft and the first week of the free agency season, when I putter around the house doing Family Guy things and bide my time until something ACTUALLY happens, which isn't often. It's slow.

Thank goodness there is some actual news on the way, at least according to Bob Stauffer, the plugged-in host of Oilers Now on 630 CHED. I was doing some quilting work today waiting for the next Willis article, word Gregor had regained his senses or news an astute GM had hired Strudwick when Stauffer tossed out a crumb.

NOT DONE YET

"They are not done," Stauffer said of the Oilers and GM Steve Tambellini, referencing the pursuit of another top-four defenseman. "They are looking for an opportunity to create a mechanism to improve the team via trades and, most likely, for defense in a perfect-case scenario.

"I don’t think for a second that the Oilers are done. I think that the desire would be to add a top-four guy on the back end. Pretty difficult to add a top-two. If you do, you’re going to be taking some significant money back.

"I think they're going to need to capitalize on maybe one of those teams out there that has grown tired of somebody. That's usually how this works. They're going to have to be pretty, you know, they need a lot of stickwithitness going on right now to make this thing happen, but I don't think they're done in terms of improving the defense."

When not inventing new words on the radio, Stauffer is pretty adept at taking the pulse of the Oilers and getting an inside track on what they're doing, or at least trying to do. This much we know. He's not the typical radio rights holder broadcaster in that regard – book off after the draft, make an appearance at a few golf tournaments and take vacation until training camp opens.

WE WAIT

Unlike Bikini Girl or the unfortunate stiff (or multiple stiffs) Willis has been strafing with great aplomb, Bombastic Bob has a pretty good record of telegraphing what's up with the Oilers. His tone today in a conversation with co-host Reid Wilkins – a conversation that included the names Keith Yandle and Jay Bouwmeester -- leads me to believe he isn’t guessing.

You can take that for what it's worth. Yandle? Bouwmeester? Who else? And who might have to go the other way? Good questions. What most Oilers fans can agree on, even with all the bodies on the back end, is the pursuit of another bonafide blueliner is a good thing. This, we've already discussed.

Action, as in adding a proven rearguard to the mix, make sense for the Oilers and is good business for a hockey website like this one. Until that happens, pray that Gregor regains his sanity, enjoy the bogus rumor busting and cross your fingers Strudwick gets an NHL job (or the radio show I deserve).

I must get back to quilting now.

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#51 Dman09
July 09 2012, 05:05PM
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Sloppy Joe wrote:

A trade for Weber isn't happening, so we should stop torturing ourselves on that front.

Re J-Bo - He's a very effective D-man who takes a lot of crap in Calgary because he's not putting up the points they wanted. I have to disagree quite strongly with Dman09 when he says he thinks Phaneuf is a better D-man.

I would take J-Bo on my team any day (it would be robbery if we could get him for Teubert and a 2nd, as Stauffer apparently suggested). But, as crazy as Feaster seems to be this summer, I really don't think Calgary would trade Bouwmeester to a divisional rival. If the price is as low as Stauffer is suggesting, there will be a lot of interest (notwithstanding the cap hit), and they'll send him somewhere else before they send him here.

I think Yandle is the more realistic trade possibility.

One of the things about the J-Bo trade that could work in EDM's favor is that he has a NTC. So he has to approve of the team they trade him to. Phaneuf and J-Bo put up similar numbers lately(except Phaneuf has a couple seasons of 50 and 60 points, J-Bo has never broken the 50 point mark) only real difference is Phaneuf plays a more physical style of game.

Also of note when J-Bo was getting more PP time he was putting almost identical numbers for shots and points as Yandle, add to that the fact that he is better defensively and would cost a lot less, he is totally the better option all around.

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#52 junior mint77
July 09 2012, 05:11PM
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props to you i cant wait to get rome off the air here in edmonton!

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#53 Quicksilver ballet
July 09 2012, 05:33PM
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Why even give up assets for B level players like Bouwmeester/Yandle/Etc.

There's a 99% chance Weber will be wearing a different jersey for the 13-14 season. If you can make a sign and trade deal with Poile then great. If he goes to UFA july1 2013, i'd have to think by then, just like Justin Schultz, Weber would also have the Oilers in his top 3 list of possible destinations.

One way or the other, Tambellini will take a shot at Weber. Screw the alsoran B list players. They'll still be available once Weber makes up his mind.

You marry a guy like Shea Weber, you only date the Bouwmeester,Yandle types.

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#54 The Beaker
July 09 2012, 05:41PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

"A big 2C."

What does size have to do with anything?

Size doesn't always equal grit or toughness btw.

Ok, a big badass, hard to play against 2C. I was on my iPhone waiting for the doctor. I figured brevity wouldn't hurt. I think it's implied when someone says something like "a big 2C" they mean all the accompanying characteristics that are desirable with that 2C. Otherwise we could just stick Plante or Tuebert at center.

So were you just looking for a reason to complain about something or was there some underlying issue with assumptions that bother you?

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#55 Wax Man Riley
July 09 2012, 05:56PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Why even give up assets for B level players like Bouwmeester/Yandle/Etc.

There's a 99% chance Weber will be wearing a different jersey for the 13-14 season. If you can make a sign and trade deal with Poile then great. If he goes to UFA july1 2013, i'd have to think by then, just like Justin Schultz, Weber would also have the Oilers in his top 3 list of possible destinations.

One way or the other, Tambellini will take a shot at Weber. Screw the alsoran B list players. They'll still be available once Weber makes up his mind.

You marry a guy like Shea Weber, you only date the Bouwmeester,Yandle types.

Nope. Not happening. Sources say Weber will not play in Canada. He has considered Vancouver, but hates the Canuck fans as much as anybody, and doesn't see a future with a team on the way down.

He has been rumored as saying he like playing in obscurity, and will only sign with a contender. Tough combo to pull off. Carolina, possibly.

What have you heard, Beaker?

#SourcesSay #ImAnInsiderToo

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#56 Quicksilver ballet
July 09 2012, 06:11PM
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I dunno Insider....

How many times have we seen a deal go down where most teams didn't even know the player was available?

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#57 Sliderule
July 09 2012, 06:35PM
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Don't give up the farm for Yandle or Weber .Their success is partly a product of their coaches defensive systems. Just take a look at M Smith a discard goalie in Florida an all star in Phoenix. It's the systems.

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#58 Copperblueandwhite
July 09 2012, 06:38PM
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QSB: When did Bouwmeester become a B grade player.....he plays on a bad team...this guy has many miles left in the tank...problem is Feaster can't trade him here...imo...

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#59 Charlie
July 09 2012, 06:54PM
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For all of the crap I've talked about Phaneuf over the last six years, at least when he was wearing red, I would be stoked for him to join the blue.

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#60 RexLibris
July 09 2012, 07:02PM
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I have all the time in the world for Stauffer's thoughts on the Oilers.

That being said, it is a real stretch for me to imagine what it would take for Bouwmeester to come to Edmonton. Feaster would need to win that trade in public opinion and would probably want an overpay based on that alone.

On the other side, Tambellini is generally risk-averse when considering moving prospects and so may not be willing to pay the asking price.

Add to that Bouwmeester's NTC and his knowledge of this city's checkered past in appreciating homegrown talent and it would be a major turn of events to see him here.

Teubert and a 2nd for him? Hard to see. Maybe Hamilton, Teubert a 2nd and a conditional 3rd in 2014. Who knows.

One thing I do know for certain, he wouldn't wear #4.

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#61 Time Travelling Sean
July 09 2012, 07:03PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Ok, a big badass, hard to play against 2C. I was on my iPhone waiting for the doctor. I figured brevity wouldn't hurt. I think it's implied when someone says something like "a big 2C" they mean all the accompanying characteristics that are desirable with that 2C. Otherwise we could just stick Plante or Tuebert at center.

So were you just looking for a reason to complain about something or was there some underlying issue with assumptions that bother you?

Well yes.

The assumption that your 2C should be 6'4 and put up 50 points and have grit and go in the corners and win battles, plays great defense and isn't a liability in PIMs is fantasy.

Or we could have a 6'4 2C that puts up 100 PIMs that scores 25 points, is as slow as a log, and is undisciplined but races to the corners to try and establish a cycle.

Or we could have a 5'11 center that puts up 40-45 points, can win face-offs, and plays reasonable defense, maybe not as fast as his size would suggest, and can be easy to push off the puck. Has played here for 5 years has chemistry already, and can improve offensively still.

All the flack Gags gets because he is the same height as Crosby, Richards, Giroux, Bergeron is getting old. Sure he isn't in the same class as those players either offensively, or defensively but his attributes seem to be less important simply because of his size.

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#62 vetinari
July 09 2012, 07:21PM
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Don't even think about Weber as Nashville won't be moving him and Edmonton can't take the risk on a player going to become a UFA after this season... either Yandle or J Bo would be good additions to the roster so long as we lose no more than one starting winger (Hemsky, Jones or Eager) or prime prospect (Paajarvi) and a spare defenceman (Potter, Peckham, etc.).

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#63 The Beaker
July 09 2012, 07:48PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

Well yes.

The assumption that your 2C should be 6'4 and put up 50 points and have grit and go in the corners and win battles, plays great defense and isn't a liability in PIMs is fantasy.

Or we could have a 6'4 2C that puts up 100 PIMs that scores 25 points, is as slow as a log, and is undisciplined but races to the corners to try and establish a cycle.

Or we could have a 5'11 center that puts up 40-45 points, can win face-offs, and plays reasonable defense, maybe not as fast as his size would suggest, and can be easy to push off the puck. Has played here for 5 years has chemistry already, and can improve offensively still.

All the flack Gags gets because he is the same height as Crosby, Richards, Giroux, Bergeron is getting old. Sure he isn't in the same class as those players either offensively, or defensively but his attributes seem to be less important simply because of his size.

Then read the whole post. It's mainly just my assumption that Gags is the most likely asset that is moved to obtain that D. I said if we can get that D without shipping out Gags then I am totally alright moving forward with him as he 2C. If he does get moved then a likely criteria for a replacement is a bit of size (and grit) in our top 6.

Don't just sit around waiting for someone to use the words Gagner and size in the same sentence and start on some crusade.

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#64 Time Travelling Sean
July 09 2012, 08:01PM
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@The Beaker

That last bit of your post is kind of unnecessary.

You made your points, noted.

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#65 RexLibris
July 09 2012, 08:29PM
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@Time Travelling Sean

Speaking of Samwise (LT's favourite nickname) and size, there is an article over on FN about them needing grit and how it is more than size and "truculence".

Like you said, Gagner may be smaller than most Oiler fans have been programmed to accept in the role of 2nd line center, but he does not lack for heart or competitive nature. I'd rather have a player of his size willing to fight, hit, take a hit, and score from within ten feet of the net (where he gets many of his points) than a big lumbering behemoth who, while perhaps talented, cannot find it in himself to fight his way to the net consequences be damned.

In other words, yeah, you're right.

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#66 Will
July 09 2012, 08:31PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Why even give up assets for B level players like Bouwmeester/Yandle/Etc.

There's a 99% chance Weber will be wearing a different jersey for the 13-14 season. If you can make a sign and trade deal with Poile then great. If he goes to UFA july1 2013, i'd have to think by then, just like Justin Schultz, Weber would also have the Oilers in his top 3 list of possible destinations.

One way or the other, Tambellini will take a shot at Weber. Screw the alsoran B list players. They'll still be available once Weber makes up his mind.

You marry a guy like Shea Weber, you only date the Bouwmeester,Yandle types.

How is Yandle a B player? he had the most points out of any defenseman 2 years ago, three years ago he was plus 22 on a much worse Phoenix team. The guy is a plus player that gets over 40 points for the last three years, is young and has a great contract. You call him a B player, I call him a steal and a huge upgrade. He's like Nick Schultz but with a huge offensive upside.

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#67 Greg the Hammer Valentine
July 09 2012, 09:02PM
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I would be surprised if the Oilers are able to pull off a trade that would bring us a player of the Yandle / Weber quality. I think we will see a young 3-4 D coming our way.

We are looking for a trade partner starving for an offensive winger like Hemsky and with a D to spare. It could look like Hemsky + Peckham to Carolina for McBain or something like that.

I would personnaly like Jeff Schultz of Washington. Imagine 3 Shultzes on the same brigade...

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#68 2:00 AM
July 09 2012, 09:15PM
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One word, HJALMARSSON

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#69 Oiler Al
July 09 2012, 10:03PM
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Bouwmeester would be a big mistake. Huge contract $6.600 million.. is the reason Fester would want to dump this guy. Not many points, is soft in his own end,, why bother.

Yandl is a better choice, as is Enstrom, although he is a UFA next year, and not sure why Wpg. would want to move him.

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#70 Pouzar99
July 09 2012, 11:50PM
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Will the Weber fantasy team on here please explain how the Oil could possibly fit Weber, the Fab Four and an adequate supporting cast under the cap? This guy is going to want and get $8 million per long term and unless we demand our Big 4 take a lot less it can't work. Not that he wants to come here anyway.

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#71 Walter Sobchak
July 10 2012, 12:36AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Bouwmeester would be a big mistake. Huge contract $6.600 million.. is the reason Fester would want to dump this guy. Not many points, is soft in his own end,, why bother.

Yandl is a better choice, as is Enstrom, although he is a UFA next year, and not sure why Wpg. would want to move him.

Bouwmeester soft in his own end? Bouwmeester doesn't have to hit or destroy players to be effective! Jesus. It's called Postioning and situational awareness.

It's like saying Gretzky or RNH are soft cause they don't hit.

The guy plays 26 min a night, takes next to no penalties, draws more penalties then he takes while playing against the toughest comp night in, night out. Is on the ice for almost all of the Flames own zone draws, Is an amazing skater with a great first pass.

Averages 30 points a year, is on the first PK unit, plays on the PP unit. Is a grand total of 1.4 mil more then Yandel!

The Oilers have an abundance of cap room. Faster wants to dump this guy for a couple of reasons. One the Flames need prospects and cheaper players and would you re-sign with the Flames in two years.

Yandel does not PK, Yandel takes almost no own zone face offs, Yandel is put out for offensive situations, plays 20 min a night with significantly easier min the Bouwmeester and was Phoenix 4th best defensmen in the Playoffs.

If you can trade and sign Bouwmeester it wouldn't even be an argument.

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#72 Reg Dunlop
July 10 2012, 01:11AM
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We have loads of potential defencemen we need to accomodate 2 or 3 years from now. Trading a 29 year old Yandle will return more than a 32 year old Bomeester. When Musil or derKlefbom or Gernat or Marincin prove they belong in the show(for a lot less scratch than Yandlemeester) we will need to maximize our return in trades. Simply, Yandle will get us a bigger, grittier 2C, because we all know that Sam is soft. Right Mr. Mantooth?

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#73 Walter Sobchak
July 10 2012, 02:39AM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

We have loads of potential defencemen we need to accomodate 2 or 3 years from now. Trading a 29 year old Yandle will return more than a 32 year old Bomeester. When Musil or derKlefbom or Gernat or Marincin prove they belong in the show(for a lot less scratch than Yandlemeester) we will need to maximize our return in trades. Simply, Yandle will get us a bigger, grittier 2C, because we all know that Sam is soft. Right Mr. Mantooth?

DerKlefbom! I busted a gut when I read that! Pure genius!

If Bouwmeester goes to St.Louis or Detroit he might be in the conversation as a Noris candidate by December.

As for two or three years down the road, who knows? it's a valid point that Yandle has the upside on age, but nowhere near the overall game

I would never say Sam is soft. Easy to separate from the puck, absolutely.

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#74 pelhem grenville
July 10 2012, 05:57AM
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Shea Weber will not be an Oiler. Understand?

...no

...'splain why not mr.oilanderp

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#75 The Beaker
July 10 2012, 07:08AM
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@Time Travelling Sean

Sorry, was being kind of a jerk.

Both sides of this Gagner debate are starting to get a bit tired. Yes, there are reasons to keep him (many in fact). Yes, there are reasons that if given the right conditions moving him would be acceptable. That pretty much goes for almost every player.

No matter what happens, if we do trade Gags then we need a replacement for him as we cannot replace him readily in our system. Also, lets all face it, we do need size in our top 6 if we can find a reasonable way to get it. That size has to be top 6 talent not Quinn putting JFJ on the first line type size in our top 6.

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#76 striker777
July 10 2012, 07:57AM
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Tambo is wise to wait (especially since we signed J.Schultz). Nobody knows what the new cap is going to be and teams may be forced to move contracts.

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#77 blueorangekoolaid
July 10 2012, 08:03AM
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Going back to a possible dispersal draft of Phoenix players, would said draft follow the same draft order as the rookie draft or would a new draft order being created lottery style? If this occurs, you don't target Yandle you go for guys like OEL or Gormley.

I agree Weber never comes here nor do we find money to pay everyone if he does but wouldn't it be nice if it could happen? Imagine his epic playoff beard year in year out?

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#78 @Oilanderp
July 10 2012, 01:58PM
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No!

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#79 Cody anderson
July 10 2012, 04:47PM
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I am a huge proponent for size and toughness. there is no question in my mind if i have the choice between a player with equal defensive awareness and speed that we can add to the top 9 I would be willing to give up 5 to 10 points a year to gain that grit that lost van their date with the cup. If we can replace Hemsky, Gagner, Horcoff or anyone other then the Fab 4 with someone reasonably close in points, potential, cap hit and age that is 225lbs+ and hits like a truck then lets get it done.

The problem is gritty power forwards are desired by every team in the league and are hard to come by. Everyone wants a Glencross, Thorton, Doan, Lucic type player. that means there is a lot of competition to get these players and you need to give up a lot to get them.

I don't like the idea of filling one hole by creating a bigger hole. We have several D prospects nearing NHL readiness. Trading a legit top 2 centreman with no replacement on the team or in the system to fill a short term gap leaves us further behind then before we traded. If we decide to trade Gagner because of his size and grit there had better be a true poer forward centreman coming back the other way.

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#80 Oilguy1
July 10 2012, 08:50PM
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Striker 777.

That is something I hadnt thought of yet and I've Been reading all these blogs since the season Ended simply because I'm dying for the next One to start. You are totally right, Tambo is hanging on Because when opportunity falls into his lap after The CBA he's gonna be able to accommodate anybody!!!

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