On the possibility of trading Hall, Eberle or Yakupov

Jonathan Willis
August 02 2012 11:18AM

 

The Edmonton Oilers are blessed with some high-end young players. Most people consider a list of four as the core group of the rebuild: centre Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, as well as wingers Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall and Nail Yakupov.

Is there any situation where it might make sense to trade one of that group, or are they all untouchable?

It’s an interesting situation in that the Oilers have three high-end guys on the wing, one at centre, and none on defence (to be fair, both Jeff Petry and Ladislav Smid are fine young NHL players – with Petry in particular still having upside – but neither are seen as being on the same level as the group of four mentioned above).

Now, the team could have avoided this by picking defenceman Ryan Murray first overall this past summer, but with Yakupov the clear consensus at number one that likely would have been a mistake. Teams don’t get to control which player is the best in any given year, but drafting for need is a bad road to go down (as the Oilers showed when they passed on Zach Parise because they ‘already had a bunch of small centers’).

The job of the scouting staff is to provide management with the best available players. It’s the job of the general manager to trade those players as needed to create a winning team.

A Franchise Defender?

High-end defencemen don’t come available all that often, and when they do the price is typically high. Still, it’s possible to envision a scenario where one might be on the market. Take Shea Weber in Nashville, for example. The Predators opted to match Philadelphia’s offer sheet, choosing to pay the franchise defenceman $14 million in salary per season for the next four years rather than taking four first-round picks in trade. Could it be that a year from now they’d be willing to send him away to ease financial pressures if they got an enticing enough offer?

What would a player like Weber be worth to Edmonton? The 6’4”, 232lb 26-year old is a complete defenseman who provides both a team with both offensive punch and a number one shutdown option. Would that be worth trading one of the Oilers’ three wingers? Would any of the three be untouchable if Nashville was willing to think about a one-for-one trade a year from now?

Obviously, it’s a hypothetical situation, but it’s still one worth considering: is there a point where trading away part of the young core makes sense if it makes the roster more balanced?

The Other Route

There is another option, of course: the Oilers could opt to hang on to all of their key young pieces and hope to address the need for high-end help on the blue line through free agency (or alternately, simply hope that one of their younger defenders – Petry, Justin Schultz, Oscar Klefbom, etc. – develop into a high-end guy).

There are virtues to that approach. The primary virtue is that there’s no need to part with one of the high-value forwards currently on the team. There are also negatives: for starters, not a lot of high-end defenders hit the UFA market and those that do tend to be paid accordingly. If all goes well, in a few years the Oilers will need to start exercising care when managing the salary cap and adding a big-money defender without subtracting big dollars somewhere else might prove problematic.

The biggest problem is scarcity, though. Alex Edler could be an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2013; aside from him, there aren’t a lot of high-end possibilities and even he isn’t in the ‘franchise defenceman’ category. Kris Letang is probably the most interesting name in the summer of 2014 group; Dion Phaneuf and Jay Bouwmeester are other lower-quality possibilities assuming they aren’t locked up before then. Lots of names could be available in 2015 but that’s three years away, meaning both that their current teams have time to extend them and that there would be no help on the way for the next three seasons.

Maybe something else will happen. As we’ve considered, one of the current group of young defenders could emerge. The Oilers could always just roll with a by-committee approach and hope that they could win without a stud #1 defender – after all, Carolina managed the feat back in 2006.

My Take

Top defensemen are a rare commodity, and as guys who can play 30 minutes a night they’re exceedingly valuable to any team. They aren’t available very often.

Top wingers are also very valuable. Five years ago, any one of Hall, Eberle or Yakupov would have been untouchable. If the Oilers had just one winger of that caliber, that guy would be untouchable now. But, as it stands, they have three superb young wingers and that means that if the opportunity to land a franchise defenseman becomes available, it’s one the team should move on if they can negotiate a deal that makes sense.

It’s not about wanting to trade any of those guys. It’s about looking at the needs of the team and deciding that it makes sense to subtract from a position of strength and address a position of weakness if the opportunity arises. If two star wingers and a star defenceman give the Oilers a better shot at the Stanley Cup than three star wingers and no star defencemen do, a deal that should be made.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
August 02 2012, 03:23PM
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It's like trading one of your children...

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#52 LoDog
August 02 2012, 03:24PM
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"Is there any situation where it might make sense to trade one of that group"

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#53 Kapustin
August 02 2012, 04:00PM
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1.I would trade away yakupov+ any day of the week for a D-stud!Russians are not to be thrusted,cant take a demotion for develop reasons, bolts to khl with $ up the chimney.

2. Hall can be tradable too, flame fan from young years, im not sure he resign if we continue to lose.

3. Ebs has the best tradevalue of the four right now and surely never gonna fetch more then now after his stellar season.

4. Rnh is the only one i wouldnt trade away whatever the offers are, hes gonna be the franchise player who brings back the cup home.

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#54 rickithebear
August 02 2012, 04:04PM
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our starter played 13 games last year with 5 average or better foot speed Dmen. most of the time it was with 3 of Barker, Sutton, injured whitney, tuebert.

in those 13 games the D pairs were\

Smid-petry Whitney-Sutton/Schultz sutton/peckahm-Potter So in those 13 games Dubnyk was 10W - 1L - 1 OTL 1.75GA .944 SV%

there is Hope.

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#55 Chris.
August 02 2012, 04:44PM
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@Kapustin

Russians are not to be thrusted

...unless they look like Kournikova...

Hey-Oh!

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#56 Sliderule
August 02 2012, 04:46PM
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If we trade any of our fab four in the next two years we would be just plain stupid. If the team is to improve it won't be in a trade for a whale defender.Our defense isn't great bur our real need is backup for Dubnyk if he shows he can't cut it. Their are goalies available who won't cost you any of the fab four.You just have to have pro scouts who can judge talent .

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#57 Action Jackson
August 02 2012, 05:27PM
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Tambo best be sure the defenseman is 'of the ilk of Weber' before he makes this trade. Still not sure I trust him not to do something downright stupid with this kind of power.

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#58 vetinari
August 02 2012, 05:32PM
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First, don't bust up the fab four until they all make it through their entry level contracts. Then, and only then, see where the team is at and if necessary move the least productive/most problematic of the bunch.

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#59 Oilers Coffey
August 02 2012, 05:54PM
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Willis you usually write some compelling stories here and other places; but seriously all your hypothetical stories are turning BS! Okay lets start trading away our key players, hmmm wheres the logic? Trade Hall, our future captain, the guy is gold, he hates to lose, and its only a matter of time before he lifts this time into the elite category.

Eberle is the stud who you and LT are critiquing lately, shooting percentages dont tell the story on a player. Eberle has been a point a game player through his whole life. (Rob Brown stated players do not care to look at this stat, its useless).

Yakupov has the potential to be the best finisher this team has had in decades, and he's already expendable. Give me a break.

We start winning with this group, the FA's will come sooner or later. Giving nothing up, why are we already trading our greatest players??? The dark years are passing, I say past! Time to enjoy being a fan of "watching" the game and the team we love!

Lets Go Oilers !!!

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#60 madjam
August 02 2012, 06:23PM
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Three consecutive Nbr.1 picks combined with an emerging star like Eberle . Several high draft picks just waiting to crack lineup , and we are worried we are still not a force for a long playoff run ? Think again ! We should have a big breakout this season despite not acquiring much for veterans .

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#61 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
August 02 2012, 06:23PM
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@Oilers Coffey

He's just thinking out loud. He's not suggesting the Oiler go out and pursue a deal involving one or more of the fab 4.

The summer can't pass soon enough for fans of the quicksilver ballet, with still 6 weeks till training camp and he's just trying to rattle some cages to help pass the time. This is one of the ways to do it, by the looks of things, he's succeeded.

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#62 Ryan
August 02 2012, 06:25PM
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Love how you guys don't post comments that do agree with your points.

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#63 Ryan
August 02 2012, 06:39PM
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@Ryan

We'll try this again, keep in mind I'm on holidays, am drinking beer and may have possibly just seen big foot.

I'm down on the Edmonton media right now. First they whine for years we can attract star players to edmonton and we have to draft and develops our own. Now the first chance you get your calling eberle a fluke and comparing him to horcoff and gagner. Then your start throwing our guys into trades as bait for any and every defensemen. Why would would you even want to trade eberle for weber straight up ? You have been talking about reasonable expectations , what about webers ? He is a physical defensemen who plays 30 mins a night , when is he going to start getting hurt ? Maybe 3 more healthy years before he starts getting hurt and your trading a 60-100 point 22 year old winger for him ? It doesn't make sense and it's short sighted . We need to build from within like you media guys have been saying for years. This is the time in the rebuild we make huge mistakes by jumping the gun.

Rant over lol

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#66 Johnny
August 02 2012, 06:49PM
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J.W....KEEP THE ARTICLES COMING!!!!

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#68 Johnny
August 02 2012, 06:51PM
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I would do Yak for Weber right now, even though i think he will be a better point producer than Hall and Eberle. I think RNH could win scoring titles.

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#69 Ontarioil
August 02 2012, 07:09PM
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With the way the Weber deal is front loaded, wouldn't it be a steal of a contract to get him a year or two into that contract, you'd have the potential to have a franchise defender on a value contract.. I'd give them their pick of Yak Ebs or Hall for that. It would crush me emotionally but I think thats the smart move.

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#70 Will
August 02 2012, 07:13PM
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So again, doesn't anyone here think Weber's contract is just a ridiculous over pay. Sure he's arguably the best defenseman in the entire league, how far did that get the Preds? Oh and they even had another elite defender? So my question is, if all it takes to land a high profile free agent defender is a gross overpay in contract, why the hell would we also lose one of our key young group of players on top of a gross contract overpay?

I don't think the D this year is that bad. Inexperienced sure but that bad? Hardly. Moreover, hasn't there been a ton made about how Habby has been the worst goalie to play as many games in the last three years? The day we have a better back up for Dubnyk, this team automatically gets better defensively. Ask yourself if you are happy with a healthy Whitney, Smid, Petry, and the Schutlzes? I think that's a pretty good D core. True on more top 2 defenseman would make it that much more solid, but I really don't think you need to trade away the future for it.

We finally have two legitimate scoring lines, and to just trade that away for a defenseman that will not win a cup by himself is stupid. A smart GM would rely on his scouting staff to identify a player or a team that has expendable players, to come here and fit a role, not go out and sell the farm for overpaid talent.

I think the plan going forward is one more year of development, then you'll see moves at either the trade deadline, or in free agency to acquire those missing pieces. I predict Hall has a huge year. He's been flirting with greatness these last two years, and this is the year I think we will see him carry this team.

Whatever outcome, I cannot wait to watch the number one draft line, even just for one game.

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#71 jbuff
August 02 2012, 07:22PM
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Anyone else notice the big $60 million on the boards in Webers picture?? Coincidence?

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#72 DonDon
August 02 2012, 07:22PM
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First of all, you are assuming ST could pull off a trade of this magnitude. Not so much. Maybe the next GM could.

The last time the Oil acquired a stud-defenceman, what happened? Pronger didn't like it here and forced a trade after a Stanley Cup run no less! What would make you think Weber is different? Trading for these players is risky. They want to be on teams with easy travel schedules (Eastern Conference) and that are contenders now.

Besides, the organization has a bigger problem at centre and a challenge in goal with a problematic Khabibulin as the backup while we're hoping Dubnyk fills the bill as an NHL-calibre goalie. These situations aren't hypothetical.

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#73 Jimmer
August 02 2012, 07:22PM
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Time will tell...if:

Oscar Klefbom = Oliver Ekman Larson

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Justin Shultz = Keith Yandle

Add in a Petry and Smid...I am not sure you need a Franchise D-Man.

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#74 Oilers Coffey
August 02 2012, 08:33PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Tell me the last time you ever heard a player state, oh I didn't shoot cuz I thought it might hurt my shooting percentage! (Well maybe Tanguay) My point was players don't look up or think about shooting percentages! Rob Brown one of the top 10 in your category had no care to see his. It's a stats junky number.

Fact is just enjoy the game again! Stats aside...My question to you is why do you like/love hockey?

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#75 Oilers Coffey
August 02 2012, 08:41PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

He's just thinking out loud. He's not suggesting the Oiler go out and pursue a deal involving one or more of the fab 4.

The summer can't pass soon enough for fans of the quicksilver ballet, with still 6 weeks till training camp and he's just trying to rattle some cages to help pass the time. This is one of the ways to do it, by the looks of things, he's succeeded.

JW didn't rattle my cage, I'm rather growing tired of cutting down the guys dawning the orange and blue using stats. We all know stats can be used one way or another. We finally have some great talent again, and some guys are already cutting em down. Talk about "Fishbow Syndrome " We have a fun team here, time to start getting behind em, rather than stomping on any momentum they have going. Have fun and enjoy the ride.

Lets Go Oilers !!!

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#76 Wanye
August 02 2012, 08:58PM
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NO TRADES ALL FOUR ARE JUST TOO STICKY SWEET

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#77 Oilers Coffey
August 02 2012, 09:15PM
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Wanye wrote:

NO TRADES ALL FOUR ARE JUST TOO STICKY SWEET

Ohhhhhhhhhh Yeaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!

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#78 Wanyes bastard child
August 02 2012, 09:46PM
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Wanye wrote:

NO TRADES ALL FOUR ARE JUST TOO STICKY SWEET

Thats what she said... 4 times!

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#79 admiralmark
August 02 2012, 09:53PM
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I think the problem with the idea of trading one of the 3 young wingers is mostly the timing. Right now.. they are aged 18,20 and 22. We have gaps on D that 1 player is not going to solve.. he can make it better but not solve. We are weak on our 3rd and 4th lines. We are not solid in Goal yet. All we really feel confident in is our top 2 lines... And they are still incredibly young. Why not continue the trajectory we are on for a couple more years... and see what we actually have? If we are lookin like a team that is on the verge of challenging for the cup and our 1 major weakness is lacking a top 2 Dman? Or even if we have only 2 real weaknesses? Then the idea of trading away 1 of our top 4 wingers would "have" to be considered. And it would make sense. I just think at this point in time with all the areas of need on this team. Plus a crop of young D that by most accounts has a great deal of promise, makes the timing a little premature in my estimation.

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#80 Randall Shermer
August 02 2012, 11:05PM
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I mostly don't understand the backlash to trading any of those players. Eberle is a great player? OK, so if you got a defender who is just as great back, why would it be a bad trade? Or are people just assuming that there are no defenders as good as Eberle? And if so, then the implication is ANY defender could be had for Eberle. Does not compute. And substitute Yakupov or Hall here it doesn't matter for the argument.

Personally, I don't think Eberle gets you any of the top young defenders, such as Doughty, Ekman-Larsson or even Hedman...nor should he. If that's the case, the Oilers (and their fans) should jump for joy if Eberle+spare parts gets one of them.

Yes, for a fan it feels like trading family, but the guy coming in will be your new family. Has it been that long that fans don't remember liking the guy they trade for?

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#81 Reality Check to the head
August 02 2012, 11:32PM
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This article is summer fodder, but it does examine the question: How do the oil move forward as a franchise towards winning the ultimate prize? Almost all NHL Champs have a franchise quality D man. Ok, I have restated the obvious.

My individual thought is, that the oilers still need to have some patience. While they have some dynamic wingers, they are all still young and need to establish themselves and create an output pattern. If you want true value for an asset, everyone needs to understand what that asset is worth. Let Taylor hall score goals and not be injured. Let Eberle prove this season was not a flash in a pan type season. Allow RNH show his genius with the puck, and let everyone see what the oil have Yak can bring forth. Until then, lets watch the potential on the ice and drool over what is coming forth. It could be worse, we could be down the QE2, wishing we had a future.

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#82 Oilspill
August 02 2012, 11:40PM
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Leading up to the draft, I thought the perfect move for both sides would have been the Oilers #1 for Shea Weber. However, seeing the contract (offer sheet) he just signed, I'm not sure I'd make that deal. I cannot get on side with the long term contracts no matter how you use it to alter the cap hit. I'd rather have a short term higher hit than risk having a player take a down turn and not be worth the hit after a few yrs (see Wade Redden, Jaybo, etc.) In saying all that, there are only a few dmen that I'd trade that first overall for. Weber was one of the most appealing (with guys like Yandle, Doughty, OEL following close behind) due to the combination of level of play and age. If we were to trade any of Hall, Nuge,or Yakupov, the return better be incredible. We can't forget the potential these guys have. If Stamkos or Tavares were to be traded, we would all expect an amazing return.

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#83 Deece
August 03 2012, 12:56AM
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I've barely had my Eberle jersey for 6 months. Can't we cross this bridge when we get to it? Then trade Yakupov, who I'm not yet attached to?

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#84 Oilertown
August 03 2012, 05:54AM
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madjam wrote:

Three consecutive Nbr.1 picks combined with an emerging star like Eberle . Several high draft picks just waiting to crack lineup , and we are worried we are still not a force for a long playoff run ? Think again ! We should have a big breakout this season despite not acquiring much for veterans .

Madjam is that you?

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#85 OilDieHard
August 03 2012, 08:12AM
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if the Oilers are patient with their picks, we'll have some good d-men coming, but they should still try to acquire a top end d-man if they can, even if it costs us a few of our prospects. i'm hoping the Oil will make the playoffs this year, but if they don't, we'll have yet another decent pick in the 2013 draft. hopefully then we can draft a quality d-man? i think New Jersey proved this year that you can actually get to the finals without a top end d-man, so sometimes i think this gets a little overblown.

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#86 The Soup Fascist
August 03 2012, 09:05AM
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Trade for the next Shea Weber BEFORE he becomes the next Shea Weber. Much easier said then done, I realize but there should be a couple of diamonds in the rough out there that would cost significantly less than one of the Fab Four.

The Rangers stole MacDonnaugh (sp?). Eric Johnson was a gift. These guys are on their way to being dominant on teams that did not draft them. Could a Del Zotto or Bogosian be had? It is a gamble but the risk / reward is tempting.

Problem is our pro scouting staff from a fans view has been anywhere from "a non-event" to God-awful". Not much confidence that these gems can be identified. This needs to be addressed. And if by some chance they did stumble across a candidate our GM has not exactly shown himself to be one to roll the dice.

Maybe we have "that guy" in our system, although even a Schultz or Klefbom do not have the physical gifts of a Weber. Maybe he will suddenly appear in the allegedly deep 2013 draft.

We have a lot of chips to play in terms of young talent and attractive draft picks. Let's hope someone from the braintrust decides to strap on a pair and make a move. That IMO is the only way we are going to find a Horse on D (in 2 - 3 years) without giving up a Wunderkid.

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#87 Cody anderson
August 03 2012, 09:22AM
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Will wrote:

So again, doesn't anyone here think Weber's contract is just a ridiculous over pay. Sure he's arguably the best defenseman in the entire league, how far did that get the Preds? Oh and they even had another elite defender? So my question is, if all it takes to land a high profile free agent defender is a gross overpay in contract, why the hell would we also lose one of our key young group of players on top of a gross contract overpay?

I don't think the D this year is that bad. Inexperienced sure but that bad? Hardly. Moreover, hasn't there been a ton made about how Habby has been the worst goalie to play as many games in the last three years? The day we have a better back up for Dubnyk, this team automatically gets better defensively. Ask yourself if you are happy with a healthy Whitney, Smid, Petry, and the Schutlzes? I think that's a pretty good D core. True on more top 2 defenseman would make it that much more solid, but I really don't think you need to trade away the future for it.

We finally have two legitimate scoring lines, and to just trade that away for a defenseman that will not win a cup by himself is stupid. A smart GM would rely on his scouting staff to identify a player or a team that has expendable players, to come here and fit a role, not go out and sell the farm for overpaid talent.

I think the plan going forward is one more year of development, then you'll see moves at either the trade deadline, or in free agency to acquire those missing pieces. I predict Hall has a huge year. He's been flirting with greatness these last two years, and this is the year I think we will see him carry this team.

Whatever outcome, I cannot wait to watch the number one draft line, even just for one game.

I am against trading one of the fab 4 for a Dman and likely always will be unless Yak came in with a disruptive attitude, showed well but did not fit in with the team. then this would be a brilliant move.

Weber's contract is better then Sutter's. It has a lower cap hit and he is a more complete Dman. The years at the end are a loophole and will not count against the cap if he retires. In 2 years if he continues to play at the level he has previously (or gets better) this contract will look great. His cap hit is lower then Sutter's is.

@Randall Shermer

It is not that Eberle is better then any defender in the world. If we end up signifigantly stronger on forward then we are on D when the team is fully developed then on paper we would certainly get better by trading Eberle, or any one of the 4 for a truly elite Dman like Weber.

There are a few reasons people are opposed to the idea of trading any of the 4 and especially Eberle.

1)Eberle is used to our weather, our city, our fans, our media, and our travel schedule. He loves the team and wants to stay. Even if we won a trade (got the better player back) You cannot guarantee that after a year of playing here they are going to love it and want to remain a part of this team.

2)Having the young studs grow up together as friends and teammates and develop loyalty to one another and the team will go along ways not only in how they want to play for each other, but also in consessions in contract negotiations. It is hard to expect that same loyalty if they feel like they are all being shopped to other teams.

3)I don't know why, but history has shown that it is easier to trade for or attract a star Dman then a franchise forward. More of the forwards seem to stick with the team that drafted them.

4)Cheering for a kid as he gets drafted, watching him develop and then watching him represent his country and the Oilers fans develop an emotional connection to their star players. With the cluth goals he has scored and the effort he has put forward for the team he is loved by the fans. It would be like losing a kid to a lot of the fans if we were to lose Ebs.

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#88 Smokey
August 03 2012, 09:48AM
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If Nash gives you just a few spare parts, why the heck do the Oilers have to trade studs do get a top tier piece. Philly was not willing to spare Couturier or Schenn.

The Oilers problem in aquiring top end pieces will be that teams will want the fab four, and simply unless the name is like a Weber, there is no discussion.

The whole talk about Subban for Yakupov is stupid. Montreal is showing what they think of him by lowballing him in contract discussion. PK was a 36 point defencemen, however hes got warts in his game and hes a cancer in the dressing room. I don't believe you entertain a discussion for him unless its draft picks or prospects.

I don't think the Oilers will have to worry down the road for a stud, I think as the team improves over the next year, filling holes should be easier.

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#89 Smokey
August 03 2012, 09:50AM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Trade for the next Shea Weber BEFORE he becomes the next Shea Weber. Much easier said then done, I realize but there should be a couple of diamonds in the rough out there that would cost significantly less than one of the Fab Four.

The Rangers stole MacDonnaugh (sp?). Eric Johnson was a gift. These guys are on their way to being dominant on teams that did not draft them. Could a Del Zotto or Bogosian be had? It is a gamble but the risk / reward is tempting.

Problem is our pro scouting staff from a fans view has been anywhere from "a non-event" to God-awful". Not much confidence that these gems can be identified. This needs to be addressed. And if by some chance they did stumble across a candidate our GM has not exactly shown himself to be one to roll the dice.

Maybe we have "that guy" in our system, although even a Schultz or Klefbom do not have the physical gifts of a Weber. Maybe he will suddenly appear in the allegedly deep 2013 draft.

We have a lot of chips to play in terms of young talent and attractive draft picks. Let's hope someone from the braintrust decides to strap on a pair and make a move. That IMO is the only way we are going to find a Horse on D (in 2 - 3 years) without giving up a Wunderkid.

Eric Johnson is better then Shattenkirk? Right now theres a good argument that Shattenkirk is better.

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#90 OilDieHard
August 03 2012, 10:03AM
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Schultz and Klefbom are the keys here....i'm of the opinion that we don't have to have a Shea Weber to win a cup, that if Schultz, Petry and Klefbom can play well defensively and provide some much needed point production from the back end, we may not need to find/sign/trade for a Weber type.

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#91 The Soup Fascist
August 03 2012, 10:53AM
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Smokey wrote:

Eric Johnson is better then Shattenkirk? Right now theres a good argument that Shattenkirk is better.

I think he is and will continue to be a more complete defenceman. Shattenkirk is putting up points but I don't see him as the play in all situations 28 minute a guy a true #1 does. Johnson, IMO, has those tools.

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#92 The Soup Fascist
August 03 2012, 10:56AM
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The way it is playing out that is likely what we will rely on. Let's hope these guys all work out as advertised.

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#93 Old Retired Guy
August 03 2012, 11:22AM
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Keep the Fab Four.

Showcase and trade some combination of Gagner, Hemsky, Whitney, Jones, Nick Shultz, Pajarvi, Lander, Tuebert, Petrel, Belanger, Eagre, etc

for a second line center and a top 2 Dman.

Or not.... either way 2013 is gonna be a blast!

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#94 Old Retired Guy
August 03 2012, 11:35AM
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Target teams with weak GM's like Columbus...

It's even OK to be percieved as LOOSING the trade by a little with six guys going out and two guys coming back our way!

Can you say "BLOCKBUSTER"!

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#95 Rama Lama
August 03 2012, 12:36PM
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I for one an glad we are not chasing so called "elite" talent. There is no one I covet out there enough .......to pay them 100 million dollars. No one is worth that much, and Nashville will find this out year after year as they try and win a Stanley Cup with their franchise player.

The last time I checked it took 21 players to field a team.......hockey is a team game. If anyone of our players is playing for the money, I say trade him and build your team around good players that understand a team concept.

I know that we will have to eventually pay our core players very high salaries......but I hope we never have to pay stupid money to one player.

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#96 Kapustin
August 03 2012, 03:50PM
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Gold can be dust in one season! who has the biggest future potential? What prospect do you think will make the team better in the future?. What are the needs for the team? Capspace?Resigning? Winning mentality? Thats the questions our org. should spend time with and not please the "fan" community".

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#97 OutDoorRink
August 04 2012, 03:25PM
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This will be year 3 of our rebuild...

We need to see where our defence is this season before we trade one of our young stars for an established number one on the back end. This is the painful and I must stress, dangerous phase of our plan. As tempting as it will be this year, we can not trade away a potential superstar for a quick fix.

We're not ready to make a serious run yet anyway, so we might as well just let the kids develop for another year because our young defencemen are still a work in progress.

We won't be trading Hall. He's our next captain. He was one of the main reasons why JS decided to become an Oiler. He's the next Messier.

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#98 Wax Man Riley
August 04 2012, 04:38PM
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Reality Check to the head wrote:

This article is summer fodder, but it does examine the question: How do the oil move forward as a franchise towards winning the ultimate prize? Almost all NHL Champs have a franchise quality D man. Ok, I have restated the obvious.

My individual thought is, that the oilers still need to have some patience. While they have some dynamic wingers, they are all still young and need to establish themselves and create an output pattern. If you want true value for an asset, everyone needs to understand what that asset is worth. Let Taylor hall score goals and not be injured. Let Eberle prove this season was not a flash in a pan type season. Allow RNH show his genius with the puck, and let everyone see what the oil have Yak can bring forth. Until then, lets watch the potential on the ice and drool over what is coming forth. It could be worse, we could be down the QE2, wishing we had a future.

Just a quick question:

If the Oilers finish in 9th place.... are you going to change your name?

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#99 Reg Dunlop
August 04 2012, 09:07PM
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To commemorate the 99th comment, a question:

What number did Gretzky first wear as a WHA Oiler? It aint 99...

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#100 rubbertrout
August 07 2012, 03:43PM
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OutDoorRink wrote:

This will be year 3 of our rebuild...

We need to see where our defence is this season before we trade one of our young stars for an established number one on the back end. This is the painful and I must stress, dangerous phase of our plan. As tempting as it will be this year, we can not trade away a potential superstar for a quick fix.

We're not ready to make a serious run yet anyway, so we might as well just let the kids develop for another year because our young defencemen are still a work in progress.

We won't be trading Hall. He's our next captain. He was one of the main reasons why JS decided to become an Oiler. He's the next Messier.

By year three you mean year seven right?

If you trade away a potential superstar for a superstar is the risk really that great?

Of course this is all much ado about nothing. If Nashville is paying that kind of up front money to Weber they are keeping him for at least a few years.

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