Iginla's Suitors - Potential Trade Packages

Kent Wilson
March 26 2013 10:00AM

 

Jarome Iginla

pic via Tim Hiber

 As of writing this, the Flames are 14th in the West and six points out of the playoffs with just five games remaining before the trade deadline. Even if they win all five contests, which is unlikely, Calgary probably still won't be in a playoff spot by the time the bell rings on April 3rd.

So it's all over but the dealing. Iginla, the face of the franchise for so long, will turn 36 years old this summer, is a pending free agent and has (allegedly) submitted a list of team's he'd be willing to move to. All that's left for Jay Feaster is to auction the captain off to the highest bidder.

Prior Big Name Rentals

Without being in the room to gauge the interest level and offers, it's difficult to guess just what the Flames might get for Iginla. Recently, Brenden Morrow and Douglas Murray fetched a former first round pick (Joe Morrow) and two second rounders (one conditional) respectively, which suggests asking prices for players are already high.

In the past, similar big name rental players have netted large packages of varying quality:

- Marian Hossa was dealt by Atlanta to Pittsburgh in exchange for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito (former first rounder) and the Pens' first round pick.

- Keith Tkachuk was traded as rental to the Thrashers in 2007 for Glen Metropolit as well as first, second and third round picks (plus a conditional pick if he re-signed in ATL).

- The Leafs moved Tomas Kaberle at the deadline to the Boston Bruins for Joe Colborne (former first round pick), their first round pick in 2011 and a conditional second rounder. 

As you can see, draft picks are the currency of the day. At the very least the Flames will likely get a first rounder in the deal, if not one or two more in the top-60. Middling roster players also seem to come cheap.

Looking backwards is somewhat helpful, but it makes the most sense to judge the present day and what Calgary's suitors have to offer. Instead of blindly guessing at interest levels and the perception of Iginla in other markets, I decided to solicit the opinions of writers/fans in Chicago, Boston and LA.

Chicago Blackhawks

Chicago fans have been asking me for at least two years if Iginla would be available. The fan base there has coveted Jarome for awhile, so it makes sense they would be interested in him now that he's finally on the market. Sam Fels of Second City Hockey had thos to say when I asked him about a potential Blackhawks package for Jarome:

The Hawks prospect depth is down the middle. Marcus Kruger can still be considered one, Phillip Danault, Mark McNeill, and Teuvo Teravainen are in the system and all thought to be NHL players one day (Danault is considered to have the brightest future).

Brandon Pirri is another name you might here, and one the Hawks would be most likely to move. Elsewhere, the Hawks don't have a lot on the blue line, and there's only one goalie prospect in Mac Carruth, who is backstopping the juggernaut Portland Winterhawks at the moment. The two blue liners are Adam Clendening who is in the AHL right now, and Stephen Johns at Notre Dame. However, with Keith, Seabrook, and Leddy here for the foreseeable future, you wonder how much the Hawks cling to any of these.

There's a wildcard here, and it's Dave Bolland. Bolland is a free agent in '14, and has completely flopped as a #2 center this year. Both Kruger and Danault are set to take over the checking center role in the near future, and with Bolland already making 3.3 million, I really wonder if the Hawks plan to pay him even that much for what he has proven to be. Could Bolland be traded this year? I wouldn't totally rule it out.

More likely, the Hawks would probably offer McNeill and one of the other prospects. I bet they'd like to get away with just McNeill and Pirri, but they could probably be persuaded to throw Johns in. But probably not much more than that. Or maybe McNeill and Carruth. I think Danault is considered untouchable.

Potential Blackhawks package: Mark McNeill, Dave Bolland and a first round pick.

LA Kings

Next up, the Kings. I went to The Royal Half for an LA perspective:

The general consensus in a trade like this is a Top Prospect, Secondary Prospect and a 1st Round draft pick. Well let's see... the LA Kings don't have a 1st Round Pick this year so would Jay Feaster be patient enough to wait for 2014?

You can forget about Jon Bernier unless something better than Joey MacDonald is coming back to LA. The LA Kings don't have any sort of capable backup for Jon Quick right now and I feel that Jon Bernier will be traded for something that helps the LA Kings longer term than an Iginla rental.

The Kings top prospect is forward Tyler Toffoli, who happens to be currently on the Kings roster. Is he untouchable? Probably, as the Kings have high hopes for Toffoli stepping into a Top 6 slot as the Salary Cap goes down and the Kings have a lot of high-priced forwards. After Toffoli, you've got right wing Linden Vey, left wing Tanner Pearson and defensemen Derek Forbort and Nicolas Deslauriers as the best AHL prospects in the system.

So the best LA Kings offer might be some combination of Vey/Pearson, Forbort/Deslauriers and a 1st in 2014 or 2nd in 2013. But... right now, the LA Kings have a logjam at the bottom 6 of forwards and a wealth of young NHL ready defensemen. Would something like Linden Vey, Jarret Stoll and Alec Martinez/Davis Drewiske be enough to pry Jarome Iginla away from Jay Feaster's cold dead hands? Throw in a combination of Brad Richardson, Dwight King, Trevor Lewis and maybe even Justin Williams and you've got a lot of current NHL players that the Flames could have at.

T o me it seems like the Calgary Flames are never willing to do a complete blowup of their roster like the LA Kings did 5 years ago... so maybe it would be more attractive to Jay Feaster to get some NHL players in return for Iginla. That may be what sets LA apart from the other teams in this race. But at the end of the day... I'd be really surprised if Jarome Iginla heads back to the warm embrace of Coach Sutter.

Potential Kings package: Derek Forbort or Linden Vey, Dwight King, 2014 first rounder, 2013 second rounder.

Boston Bruins

Thirdly, Boston is where many seem to think Iginla will end up. Ryan Lambert forwarded me this bit by The Hockey Writers author Wayne Whittaker:

The Bruins really, really want Jarome Iginla. Current slump aside, Boston's been in need of scoring depth since the departure of Michael Ryder. They've also been in need of the "old-ish inspirational leader" since Mark Recchi retired...

If the rumors are right and the cost is a prospect, roster player, and draft pick, the Bruins have a few options. Goaltending prospect Malcom Subban's name keeps popping up, but Boston has supposedly been telling teams that he and Ryan Spooner are considered "untouchable."

For what it's worth, they reportedly offered prospect Alexander Khokhlachev to Dallas for Brendan Morrow. Jordan Caron hasn't been able to make an impact in Boston, but is considered to be "NHL ready" and could be on the trading block. Matt Bartkowski is a frequent defensive call-up, but Torey Krug or Colby Cohen have more upside. Unless Chris Bourque counts as a roster player (which he doesn't), the most likely trade candidates would be Rich Peverley or Daniel Paille. Peverley's having a rough year, and hasn't been worth the $3.2M cap hit he carries. Meanwhile, Paille's been having a great year, and is versatile enough to attract interest, and could be seen as expendable.

Potential Bruins package: Alex Khokhlachev, Rich Peverley or Daniel Paille, first rounder + conditional pick.

Pittsburgh Penguins

The Penguins are the final team on the Iginla "list", but have already spent a lot of futures on Morrow and Murray. That doesn't take them out of the Iginla raace completely since they still have cap space plus pieces like Beau Bennett, Derek Pouliot, Olli Maatta and a 2013 first round pick, but at some point Shero might finally become leery of selling the future for a cup run this season. That said, further bolstering their top-6 while depriving the Bruins of another weapon might be awefully tempting...

If the Pens enter the fray, expect someone like Tyler Kennedy to be on offer, as well as one of Bennett and Maatta as well as the first rounder.

Conclusion

To a certain portion of the fanbase, no return will be big enough for Jarome. Unfortunately for them, the reality of the situation is blind to sentimentality.

Although there is always a certain amount of risk when making trades - particularly when acquiring futures like picks and prospects - the Flames organization has nevertheless done well in the past with these kinds of deals. The last time the organization faced this dilemma was with Theoren Fleury in the late '90s where they managed to acquire future shut-down defender Robyn Regehr as part of the package (and Rene Corbet, of course). Iginla himself was a Stars draft pick, acquired from Dallas for Joe Nieuwendyk in perhaps one of the best "win-win" trades in league history. 

So which package appeals to you most, Flames fans?

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#51 everton fc
March 26 2013, 12:52PM
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I don't think Darryl gives us Bernier. No way.

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#52 Parallex
March 26 2013, 12:59PM
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everton fc wrote:

I don't think Darryl gives us Bernier. No way.

Good. Don't want him, not without a + added after his name.

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#53 Q
March 26 2013, 01:12PM
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Either way I believe the majority of fans are going to be underwhelmed with the return for Iggy. The only way I see there being a major return is if we've packaged multiple players from here with iggy. More than anything though, this has to be done now because taking a chance with injuries is scary! The fans would never forgive Jay if this wasn't done because of an injury. Just get this over with please!

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#54 McRib
March 26 2013, 01:14PM
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@Parallex

No kidding, Bernier plays easy minutes against easy teams on off nights for Quick!!! Honestly Kipper just had a kid, I don't see them trading him midseason. Bouwmeester would be the next to go on my list.

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#55 McRib
March 26 2013, 01:17PM
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@Q

Your kidding right?!?!?!? You understand a defenseman with THREE POINTS just netted two second rounders for San Jose!!!

Teams are already getting desperate for Iginla, as a Boston reporter "claims" "Calgary is asking too much", which means they are worried they won't get him and leaked that to try and lower his value.

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#56 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
March 26 2013, 01:28PM
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Why are names like Toffoli and Spooner being bandied about as top-tier prospects??

Neither is elite in any aspect of their game, and Spooner is fairly small for the center position 5"10 in the NHL.

Each guy is a huge risk in my opinion to even turn into a top-6, so if Boston and LA consider them untouchable, then, good, they can keep them for all I care.

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#57 Parallex
March 26 2013, 01:33PM
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McRib wrote:

No kidding, Bernier plays easy minutes against easy teams on off nights for Quick!!! Honestly Kipper just had a kid, I don't see them trading him midseason. Bouwmeester would be the next to go on my list.

Sadly the kid isn't draft eligible until 2031. :)

I actually think the Flames should trade Kipper... unless he intends on retiring after this season if he does that we're on the hook for part of his cap hit. If he intends on retiring then let's just have him play out the season and do a compliance buy out in the offseason.

We don't need to worry about a goaltender now there are servicable goalies available in free agency this year...

http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2013&team_id=-1&position_id=G&fa_type_id=2

... and we potentially have something in Ramo and some nice ones further down the pipeline. Goaltending will be fine.

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#58 negrilcowboy
March 26 2013, 01:46PM
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gio to the bruins, jaybo to the wings, iggy to the pens, glenx to the hawks. cammi anywhwere but calgary. start the rebuild now.

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#59 meat1
March 26 2013, 01:51PM
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Absolutely no to Subban in my opinion. The one area that we arguably have some depth in down the road is in goal. So no way. I think we need to get the best prospect there is, whoever that may be, in any deal. Plus a first rounder, albeit late. So, Depres, or Maata, or Bennet from Pit. From Chicago, Saad, or Teurevainen. To me, there isn't a fit with LA, and if Boston won't move Dougie...

I realize we may have to throw in Butler, or even one of our middling prospects, but this team needs better players on its team, not more players.

Get a first rounder and a stud prospect. Period.

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#60 Parallex
March 26 2013, 01:53PM
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Why would you want to trade Glencross? He's very good value for money and as a local boy is apt to want to stay here. I'd probably look to move Cammy but Calgary needent press on any of the others.

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#61 Parallex
March 26 2013, 01:56PM
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Boston (rightly) won't move Dougie but they have other things to deal that would be fair value (in so much as that's possible). The only one of the four where I don't see a fit is LA. All they'll offer is stuff I don't want and what they have that I'd want isn't available.

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#62 meat1
March 26 2013, 02:01PM
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I hope Feaster realizes he has more to do here than just the Jarome situation. I agree that we need to make multiple moves in these next days.

Cervenka, Sarich, Babchuk to wherever we get a bite. J-bo to Detroit, Camalleri to Boston/Ottawa, and Kipper to Toronto or Tampa Bay.

I keep Glencross, Tanguay, Giordano, and they where the letters. Baertchi, Brodie, and Backlund stay obviously. Hudler and Wideman won't be dealt...otherwise Jay, be open for business and get something done.

Don't wait too long. Teams will fill their needs, and as far as waiting for other teams to run into injuries...that may happen here first.

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#63 negrilcowboy
March 26 2013, 02:05PM
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Parallex wrote:

Why would you want to trade Glencross? He's very good value for money and as a local boy is apt to want to stay here. I'd probably look to move Cammy but Calgary needent press on any of the others.

reports out of boston and others is a strong strong interest in glennx. strike while the iron is hot. fire sale stockup on quality prospects and picks.i am sure scoreface would take a cup ring over a 50 plus loss season next year. flames will be lucky to win 30 next season the rate they are falling.

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#64 Parallex
March 26 2013, 02:09PM
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If there's interest in Glencross it's for the same reason that we ought to keep him. He's value for money... The team should be trying to get more guys like that not shuttling them out of town.

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#65 dotfras
March 26 2013, 02:18PM
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Glencross is definitely a guy that is valuable to have around - likely more valuable than any return we could get on him.

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#66 Patrick M
March 26 2013, 02:43PM
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I doubt Feaster and GMMG will ever be able to make a deal, AND the Calgary fan base would probably scream in agony, BUT...

Elliot Friedman has said that Iginla would waive his NTC if it was a Vancouver deal.

Friedman is rarely ever wrong about these things when he reports them.

Just a total non-starter from the franchise perspective, or...

What would it take? Since we're listing options here.

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#67 everton fc
March 26 2013, 02:47PM
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meat1 wrote:

I hope Feaster realizes he has more to do here than just the Jarome situation. I agree that we need to make multiple moves in these next days.

Cervenka, Sarich, Babchuk to wherever we get a bite. J-bo to Detroit, Camalleri to Boston/Ottawa, and Kipper to Toronto or Tampa Bay.

I keep Glencross, Tanguay, Giordano, and they where the letters. Baertchi, Brodie, and Backlund stay obviously. Hudler and Wideman won't be dealt...otherwise Jay, be open for business and get something done.

Don't wait too long. Teams will fill their needs, and as far as waiting for other teams to run into injuries...that may happen here first.

Agree with the above comments, though I wonder what Gio's worth? And what do you get back from Detroit/Boston/Ottawa/Toronto/Tampa Bay (Pittsburgh/Chicago, et al).

I still have no faith in Feaster. A Feaster-rebuild will not put us in the elite. And we deserve to be in the elite, as this is a hockey province, a hockey town.

As for Iggy to Vancouver - keeps him closer to home. Doesn't Iggy have a place in Kelowna?

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#68 Patrick M
March 26 2013, 02:50PM
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Iginla owns a place in Kelowna IIRC, he is also a part owner of the Kamloops Blazers.

Keeps him close, and he'd probably just be a rental, since even if he wanted to stay, the Canucks wouldn't have the cap space to sign him.

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#69 meat1
March 26 2013, 03:02PM
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This organization has no choice but to take the best deal available to them. Vancouver? No problem. This is not a ROR scenario whereby it involves a 21 year old player that could haunt you for years.

Jarome has two-three years left in my opinion. And if you listen to some commenters on this site, he is useless anyway, so having him play against us would hardly hurt. I am not of the opinion he is useless by any stretch, by the way. But I do think we need to take the best deal possible.

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#70 BurningSensation
March 26 2013, 03:10PM
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Which offer do I like? Pittsburgh's.

Bennett, Pouliot and a 1st, would IMO be the best return.

Bennett is a young and talented scoring winger who just needs to fill out his frame and add muscle, Pouliot is a potential future PP QB and the 1st (likely to be #30 overall) would replace the missing 2nd rnd pick.

Pittsburgh would be almost unstoppable with their forward lineup (Crosby, Malkin, Morrow, Neal, Iginla...sick).

Also, I think that the Doug Murray deal indicates that the market is tilting in our favour, and that waiting may be the best thing for any deal.

Nerve-shredding, but the best thing.

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#71 Jano
March 26 2013, 03:16PM
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Forget Vancouver. They have next to no cap room left this year, as in less than 2 mil at the deadline.

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#72 Patrick M
March 26 2013, 03:18PM
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Ballard is likely to get bought out end of year, so he's trade bait, so is Luongo, and Kipper is looking mighty old, while Lu still has 3-4 years left in the tank (he's 3 years younger than Kipper, and a far better goalie than Kipper ever was)

Combined cap: 9m

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#73 Parallex
March 26 2013, 03:27PM
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I doubt that would be Vancouver (the "best deal")... What could they offer? They have few prospects of any worth and the young guys they have on roster are ok but nothing that would blow my socks off.

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#74 Jano
March 26 2013, 03:28PM
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@Patrick M

That's not even the least bit interesting of a deal. And wow... you vancouver fans sure hold Luongo in high regard considering you can't wait to get rid of him. Ballard is a huge negative value to any trade.

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#75 Patrick M
March 26 2013, 03:38PM
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@Jano

Fair on Ballard, I was mostly spitballing. Though he's been a pretty serviceable third line winger for us the past few games.

Luongo is the far better goalie, is younger and has the 9th highest cap hit among goalies in the NHL, coming in half a million cheaper than Kipper.

Kipper has had one season below 2.5 GAA, Luongo has had 6, two of which were with FLORIDA.

He is in every. single. way. a better option than Kipper.

End of the day, Iginla will apparently OK a trade to Vancouver IF Feaster and GMMG can figure out a deal.

I'm curious what a potential deal could involve.

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#76 Captain Ron
March 26 2013, 03:54PM
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meat1 wrote:

Absolutely no to Subban in my opinion. The one area that we arguably have some depth in down the road is in goal. So no way. I think we need to get the best prospect there is, whoever that may be, in any deal. Plus a first rounder, albeit late. So, Depres, or Maata, or Bennet from Pit. From Chicago, Saad, or Teurevainen. To me, there isn't a fit with LA, and if Boston won't move Dougie...

I realize we may have to throw in Butler, or even one of our middling prospects, but this team needs better players on its team, not more players.

Get a first rounder and a stud prospect. Period.

Agree 100% with this. No more large quantity of players like the Phaneuf deal that only serve to fill out the roster. Quality over quantity all the way on this deal whatever it turns out to be.

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#77 BurningSensation
March 26 2013, 03:57PM
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Parallex wrote:

I doubt that would be Vancouver (the "best deal")... What could they offer? They have few prospects of any worth and the young guys they have on roster are ok but nothing that would blow my socks off.

I would consider the following offer from Vcr to be in the ballpark;

Schneider-G, Kassian-R and a 1st.

Would they offer that is another question entirely.

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#78 chillout
March 26 2013, 03:59PM
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I have to disagree about Luongo. He's a big body with good reflexes but his instincts go out the window when the pressure is on. Kipper is the exact opposite, he never gives up on the puck and will make the saves that blow a teams mind and gets them back in a game. He has not looked good this year but all in all I'd take him over Luongo.

I never say Luongo won us a gold medal I always say he almost lost us the gold medal his belly flop he always does is just brutal. Probably one of the worst moves in hockey. Playing in florida makes any player look good. Most of the teams they play against in the south there are terrible and were especially bad back then. Seems to me that Garrison has been no sort of revelation they were hoping for(haven't looked at the numbers). I personally would never trust a player out of florida. This is the first time I've liked JBo so I still stick to that.

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#79 Veggie Dog
March 26 2013, 03:59PM
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@Patrick M

Luongo's contract goes until 2022, Kipper's goes until next year, and many speculate that he won't play for the 1.5 mil actual salary and retire.

I used to loathe Luongo along with the rest of the Canucks, but since you guys tried to run him out of town, I like him much better. That said, I wouldn't touch that contact. Nor does any of the other pieces you might offer make it worthwhile.

If he is so great keep him.

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#80 Jano
March 26 2013, 04:04PM
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I'm not saying Luongo isn't a good goalie because he for sure is, but he is not what we need here in Calgary and I don't believe you have what we need. And there is 0% chance Luongo waives his no-trade to come to this mess. We need quality youth and picks coming back. You may have some picks, but I don't see any truely intriguing high end prospects.

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#81 Baalzamon
March 26 2013, 04:07PM
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everton fc wrote:

I don't think Darryl gives us Bernier. No way.

Yeah. Except Darryl isn't the GM..

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#82 meat1
March 26 2013, 04:09PM
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Let me clarify. I agree with you that Vancouver doesn't have what we need. All that I was saying was that we need to make the best deal there is, and not worry about Iggy haunting us forever. So if it were the Canucks, or Oilers etc...bring it on.

I just heard Mark Spector talking and saying that Feaster is going after a goalie. Either Subban or Bernier. That would make sense to me, and that's why I have wanted him FIRED. We actually have some depth in goal moving forward. Brossoit has every bit as good of a chance as Subban! Same age! And we own him!

Bernier has NEVER proven himself. Ever. Maybe he becomes the next great, but I strongly feel that we need a stud forward (preferably a center) or d-man way more than one of these two roll-of-the-dice goalies.

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#83 Michael
March 26 2013, 04:22PM
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Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 4h

NHL source to me today on Flames asking price for Iginla: "Calgary is going to screw this up for themselves bad if they don't come down.

"Retweeted by Mark Easson"

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#84 Landon
March 26 2013, 04:24PM
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@Patrick M

No way Iginla says yes to Vancouver, thsoe reports are total BS

Btw, just wanted to remind you that Kippers got a Vezina. Cheers!

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#85 Parallex
March 26 2013, 04:47PM
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Michael wrote:

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 4h

NHL source to me today on Flames asking price for Iginla: "Calgary is going to screw this up for themselves bad if they don't come down.

"Retweeted by Mark Easson"

You'll pardon me if I don't take the tweet of a espn BOSTON employee as god's word on that.

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#86 dotfras
March 26 2013, 05:24PM
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Sportsnet just said Kipper told management that if they trade him, he won't report.

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#87 Scary Gary
March 26 2013, 06:13PM
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@ Parallex

Let me clarify. I agree with you that Vancouver doesn't have what we need. All that I was saying was that we need to make the best deal there is, and not worry about Iggy haunting us forever. So if it were the Canucks, or Oilers etc...bring it on.

I just heard Mark Spector talking and saying that Feaster is going after a goalie. Either Subban or Bernier. That would make sense to me, and that's why I have wanted him FIRED. We actually have some depth in goal moving forward. Brossoit has every bit as good of a chance as Subban! Same age! And we own him!

Bernier has NEVER proven himself. Ever. Maybe he becomes the next great, but I strongly feel that we need a stud forward (preferably a center) or d-man way more than one of these two roll-of-the-dice goalies.

Does this year count? He's been better than Quick.

2012-13 10 games, 7W and 2L, 1.94 GAA, 0.923 save %

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#88 mk
March 26 2013, 06:13PM
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Great, so I guess he created his own NTC then? That's a lame move...though its not completely out of character for him (if its true). Didn't he say he'd only play for Finland in the 2010 Olympics if he was the starter?

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#89 Veggie Dog
March 26 2013, 06:33PM
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@mk

Its not uncommon for older players to want to skip events to both save energy for their league team, and also to spend time relaxing with family rather than warming the bench. I don't fault him for that at all.

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#90 meat1
March 26 2013, 07:17PM
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@ Scary Gary

You can count every year if you'd like. And you have to. He has been a career backup goalie who has started 58 games. Not this year, like a younger Kipper would have by now, but since 2007. He plays behind a great goalie on a strong team, getting softer than average starts along the way. He may become the next great goalie, but nobody really knows what he truly will become. These last two seasons, when games are ultra-important, they have called on their other Jonathan.

I just feel that with Ramo, Ortio, Brossoit, Gillies, Kipper still, and the glut of other goalies (Macdonald, Irving, Taylor, Brust), the last thing we need is another.

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#91 Jeff Lebowski
March 26 2013, 07:19PM
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@Patrick M

Goalie stats are not good measures of ability. Look at Bryzgalov in Phoenix v Philly.

Kipper was, is, will always be better than Louongo. Lou chokes in all the big games. You can watch them all.

Kipper is a far better athlete, makes all the saves Lou can plus a ton more he can't.

Fact.

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#92 D
March 26 2013, 07:58PM
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@meat1

Here are some facts on Bernier.

The "career backup since 2007" just turned 24. In 2007, the Kings called him up when he was 19 and threw him in the deep end behind a terrible team (the one that earned a lottery pick). Lombardi realized they made a mistake rushing him, and brought him back after seasoning in the AHL.

For his starts this season. He's relieved Quick twice when the score was out of hand. He's played San Jose and St. Louis two twice, Detroit and Anaheim once. He's not just getting the cellar teams, and he's going up against division rivals too. http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelog/_/id/3533/jonathan-bernier

It's OK if you don't want him as part of a package, but what you said isn't supported.

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#93 meat1
March 26 2013, 09:47PM
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@ D

I'm all for politely agreeing to disagree. I disagree with your opinion. Period.

As far as you saying that my comment can't be supported, what part did I lie about?

And furthermore, do you think goaltending, looking ahead, is our most pressing need? I assume you do.

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#94 jeremywilhelm
March 26 2013, 09:56PM
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Jeff Lebowski wrote:

Goalie stats are not good measures of ability. Look at Bryzgalov in Phoenix v Philly.

Kipper was, is, will always be better than Louongo. Lou chokes in all the big games. You can watch them all.

Kipper is a far better athlete, makes all the saves Lou can plus a ton more he can't.

Fact.

L. O. L. Z.

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#95 Frank
March 26 2013, 10:05PM
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Perhaps if Iginla went to Vancouver, he could teach those fans a little something about class.

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#96 Victoria Flames Fan
March 26 2013, 11:10PM
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I like the Chicago prospects best. They're stacked at centre. If we could pry Danault and a pick, I'd be stoked. I watched McNeil a few times this season with Prince Albert and Team Canada. I think he has some potential. I might be the only one, but I believe Pirri is going to blossom into a very special hockey player. I really like Brossoit so I wouldn't go balls in for Caruth. I think centre is a more pressing need. Although who am I kidding. We're weak in every position.

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#97 Franko J
March 27 2013, 01:02AM
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Iginla is probably going nowhere. Flames management probably leaked the story to deflect another season without playoffs. Remember KK is a newspaper man and he can spin a story pretty good. After all he has been blowing sunshine up you know where for the last 10 years to us fans.

Also, I think Feaster was brought in by Murray Edwards and KK to act as a liaison between the media and Flames management. He was not brought here as an elite GM who had a history as a great deal maker. The only thing Feaster has accomplished was being smart enough to draft Stamkos. Like I said before the season started Calgary will be in the McKinnon sweepstakes.

No matter what picks or pieces are brought into this organization, how many times does a rental type player actually benefits either team in a trade?

It is great to fantasize who we can choose or obtain in potential trades, however in reality, until the Flames have better scouting in place and develop prospects they will continue to spin their wheels.

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#98 ConnorFutureGM
March 27 2013, 01:22AM
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These proposed asking prices are way too high.

On the Chicago and Boston proposed trades you have impact playoff players being traded away for Iginla. These players could have just as big if not a bigger impact on the team winning the cup.

LA gives a lot for a rental as well.

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#99 the-wolf
March 27 2013, 06:28AM
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This whole "Bernier is a terible goalie" thing is ridiculous. He's been a star at every level and is playing well in all his NHL starts this year and last year. Scouts rave about him. He's only 24, which is young for a goalie. How old was Kipper before he took off? I get it if you don't want a goalie back in a trade, but saying Bernier can't play goal is nonsensical. Period.

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#100 backburner
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dotfras wrote:

Sportsnet just said Kipper told management that if they trade him, he won't report.

I find that hard to believe if they sent him to a cup contender... however, if that is the case, bench his ass.

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