Is Jay Bouwmeester next?

Kent Wilson
March 28 2013 02:13PM

 

 

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 Hot on the heels of the Iginla trade is news that Jay Bouwmeester has also been approached by Flames management about a potential deal. As reported by Roger Millions:

 

Defenders are always hot commodities around deadline time, especially guys who can face tough competition and eat up a lot of minutes. Those kinds of players are useful and rare, so it's no suprise a number of teams are interested in Bouwmeester. Particularly since he's having his best run of offense in Flames colors since he came to Calgary.

That said, making a quality deal for him will be difficult for the Flames. He's signed for one more season, so there's absolutely no reason to rush to move him this year. In addition, his sizable cap hit ($6.68 million) could prove to be a significant impediment given the cap ceiling is set to drop to about $64 million next season. It's possible the Flames would need to eat a portion of deal or take a chunk of money back to make a swap work. That's not ideal, unless the org really likes the player/contract coming back.

Shopping Bouwmeester to get a feel for his market value is sensible. It's doubtful he'll stick around once his contract expires since the Flames are unlikely to be contenders at that point (and the big guy has never seen the post-season, let alone had a real chance to compete for the grail). That said, unless someone comes along with a really top-notch package, Calgary could stand to wait and shop JayBo again at the deadline in 2014.

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#1 Michael
March 28 2013, 02:26PM
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I don't think the Flames will be even close to competitive next season, so I would be tempted to run the Flames roster at well below next years $64 million ish cap. I would move JBo and Cammy this year and replace them with mid range free agents over the summer. With the Flames in utter turmoil, I think it is going to be next to impossible to land the big name free agent's (read center) that this club needs. Its going to be a tough few years for Flames fans.

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#3 Baalzamon
March 28 2013, 07:31PM
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@Jerrod

three rotten eggs, a used blender, and half a ham sandwich?

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#4 icedawg_42
March 28 2013, 02:16PM
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We should use a Kipper and JBo package to rape the Oilers. Tell Kipper, look it's only an hour flight

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#5 BurningSensation
March 28 2013, 02:25PM
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Until Philly fell off the face of the earth this year they were my bet for a J-Bo destination, but now it looks to me like Detroit is the clear frontrunner; lots of capspace, a busload of very good prospects, and a gaping hole in the roster where he would slot in.

My money is now on the Red Wings.

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#6 jeremywilhelm
March 28 2013, 02:31PM
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What about this. Bouwmeester and Roster player x to Blues for Schwartz Rattie and their First.

I set that as the upper limit for him.

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#8 Bean-counting cowboy
March 28 2013, 02:34PM
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Michael wrote:

I don't think the Flames will be even close to competitive next season, so I would be tempted to run the Flames roster at well below next years $64 million ish cap. I would move JBo and Cammy this year and replace them with mid range free agents over the summer. With the Flames in utter turmoil, I think it is going to be next to impossible to land the big name free agent's (read center) that this club needs. Its going to be a tough few years for Flames fans.

Cammy - 6.0 + JBO 6.6 + Iggy 7.0 + if Kipper retires 5.8 = 25.4 million. We may need to keep Cammy just to get over the floor next year as our resigns (Brodie & Backlund) will be relatively cheap

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#9 woods
March 28 2013, 02:34PM
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IMO, waiting till next year to move JBO is a bad idea. His as value is as high as its ever been since coming here. Next year, this team will be worse then this year. I fear his numbers and play wont be as good and his return will be much less. get it done before the deadline or in the summer

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#10 everton fc
March 28 2013, 02:35PM
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I agree w/Michael. Move JBo and Cammy. But remember, and to beat a dead horse intentionally, Feaster will be making these deals, at present.

Perhaps we can move Stajan to a team looking for a good two-way centre, with cap room and a chance at the playoffs?

Detroit seems thin, on their farm. Filpulla's name will come up, of course.

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#11 jeremywilhelm
March 28 2013, 02:37PM
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Yeah. Like I said. Upper value. Winger depth on Blues is kinda weak. Maybe send a Stempniak?

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#13 shutout
March 28 2013, 02:39PM
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I disagree now is the time to move Bouwmeester and not next year because teams will be willing to give up more for a player that can help them out longer.

Holding back cap might not be ideal but I would do it in a minute to make the deal work and get something more back. How much more do you get for a $5M cap Bouwmeester compared to a $6.7M Bouwmeester. I think that the increase in return is much better for the future of the team than having cap space.

I would use the same logic for Cammalleri. Really tough to trade at $6.5M. But a $4M Cammalleri should get me a pretty good prospect and first round draft pick. If the Flames are going to go younger next year than they are going to have no problems with carrying dead cap space if it means having a better prospect pool.

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#14 jeremywilhelm
March 28 2013, 02:41PM
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@Kent Wilson

Maybe. But you move Stempniak if the return has that value. Again. Daydreaming.

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#15 icedawg_42
March 28 2013, 02:42PM
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Words out that Feaster is stupid, and desparate. Don't count on any real value for Bouwmeester.

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#16 shutout
March 28 2013, 02:42PM
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Bouwmeester, Cammalleri, Stajan, Jackman, Sarich, and Babchuck need to be moved in the next six days. Take back salary for Bouwmeester and Cammalleri to make the deals happen for the best returns. Trade Stajan because now is the high point of his value and you may never get more for him. Jackman, Sarich, and Babchuck are excellent late round draft capital that can be used in packages for young players or higher draft picks.

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#17 Casey
March 28 2013, 02:48PM
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The new CBA allows them to eat some of Bouwmeester's salary next year right? If they can get picks and prospects, wouldn't they be further ahead to trade him now? Then the picks and prospects will be one year closer to playing in the NHL than if they wait until next year at the deadline...

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#18 Stockley
March 28 2013, 02:50PM
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So this is how it feels to be an Oilers fan? Minus the four extra cups they won in Edmonton of course. I don't like it.

So what is there to look forward to? Drafts? We'll have a shot at Sam Reinhart after next season. Maybe if they remain really inept they can draft Connor McDavid?

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#19 dotfras
March 28 2013, 02:51PM
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Wouldn't mind seeing J Bo gone. He's a great player, but as we look to the future, his return package could potentially bring some great players/prospects/picks to the team.

I have no problem taking some $ back in the form of a serviceable (I use that word lightly) NHLer.....as long as we are getting some good pieces to stock the cupboard with.

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#20 dotfras
March 28 2013, 02:53PM
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*I for one would rather take on money via roster player as opposed to eating some of the contract.

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#21 jeremywilhelm
March 28 2013, 02:56PM
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@icedawg_42

He may be stupid but not really desperate. Don't be silly.

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#22 icedawg_42
March 28 2013, 02:56PM
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dotfras wrote:

*I for one would rather take on money via roster player as opposed to eating some of the contract.

Depends on the roster player.

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#23 Michael
March 28 2013, 03:00PM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

Cammy - 6.0 + JBO 6.6 + Iggy 7.0 + if Kipper retires 5.8 = 25.4 million. We may need to keep Cammy just to get over the floor next year as our resigns (Brodie & Backlund) will be relatively cheap

I might be tempted to eat some of JBo /Cammys salary to get a better return... and use some of the cap room to gamble on an out of favour higher priced contract that might have a rebound year.

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#24 woods
March 28 2013, 03:01PM
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Stockley wrote:

So this is how it feels to be an Oilers fan? Minus the four extra cups they won in Edmonton of course. I don't like it.

So what is there to look forward to? Drafts? We'll have a shot at Sam Reinhart after next season. Maybe if they remain really inept they can draft Connor McDavid?

is reinhart the clear cut projected #1? i dont know many of the guys in that draft, but it seems more wide open.

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#25 T&A4Flames
March 28 2013, 03:01PM
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dotfras wrote:

*I for one would rather take on money via roster player as opposed to eating some of the contract.

Not at the cost of a better prospect/pick return. Keep cash and gain a better prospect and pick. Unless the team is simply needing to move cash and will add better prospects/picks for us to take on salary.

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#26 dotfras
March 28 2013, 03:05PM
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@T&A4Flames

Yeah, that makes sense! I definitely see the benefit of that now.

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#27 Parallex
March 28 2013, 03:27PM
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woods wrote:

is reinhart the clear cut projected #1? i dont know many of the guys in that draft, but it seems more wide open.

Yes... well kinda. Reinhart is the consensus best forward although Ekblad might edge him for a team wanting a defenseman.

I really don't see Nylander usurping Reinhart.

I would be so stoked to get Sam Reinhart.

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#28 meat1
March 28 2013, 04:14PM
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@ woods

I really agree with your first post. I think now is the time to move J-bo, without a doubt. I think we can afford, in both his case and Cammy's, to eat some salary next year, as opposed to take a lesser prospect in return.

The Iggy return was certainly not what I wanted. I have always said we need better players, not more players. One higher rated prospect would have made me feel better, as opposed to two unknowns... That said, it is a much-needed start.

J-bo to Detroit, Kipper to Toronto, Cammy to Boston (if Chiarelli will speak to us anymore), Cervenka to Dallas, and the obvious players (Sarich, Babchuk, Butler, Smith) moved wherever. Obviously we can't trade them all, but I'd like to see 1/2 dozen shipped out.

I posted my thoughts about Iggy in the days leading up to his trade. I wish him and his family all the best. Go get yourself the cup, and when you take that first sip, understand that there will be thousands of Albertan's raising their glasses with you, to you, for you.

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#29 SmellOfVictory
March 28 2013, 04:15PM
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According to MacKenzie and Hall, JBo's the guy with the most value on the Flames (including the ex-captain), even with his fat contract. I absolutely want to see him go if he can get the kind of return it sounds like he may garner. That and Iginla would be enough for a jump start to the rebuild, in my opinion (and all the other flotsam like Babchuk could stay/go/jump off a cliff).

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#30 everton fc
March 28 2013, 04:16PM
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@ woods

I really agree with your first post. I think now is the time to move J-bo, without a doubt. I think we can afford, in both his case and Cammy's, to eat some salary next year, as opposed to take a lesser prospect in return.

The Iggy return was certainly not what I wanted. I have always said we need better players, not more players. One higher rated prospect would have made me feel better, as opposed to two unknowns... That said, it is a much-needed start.

J-bo to Detroit, Kipper to Toronto, Cammy to Boston (if Chiarelli will speak to us anymore), Cervenka to Dallas, and the obvious players (Sarich, Babchuk, Butler, Smith) moved wherever. Obviously we can't trade them all, but I'd like to see 1/2 dozen shipped out.

I posted my thoughts about Iggy in the days leading up to his trade. I wish him and his family all the best. Go get yourself the cup, and when you take that first sip, understand that there will be thousands of Albertan's raising their glasses with you, to you, for you.

I'll be pulling for the Pens, in the playoffs.

Watched Iggy's press conference. He leaves a class act. Great character all the way. A good role model, for the kids.

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#31 Franko J
March 28 2013, 04:22PM
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If Bouwmeester is being shopped to Detroit:

To Detroit: Bouwmeester, Stajan, Jackman, Seiloff.

To Calgary: Brenden Smith, Calle Jarnkrok, 2nd and 6th picks.

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#32 Rain Dogs
March 28 2013, 04:26PM
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I may be the only one saying this,

but please keep Jay Bouwmeester.

Or, at the very least trade Cammy, Tanguay, Gio or Stajan all before Jay.

(unless of course the offer is absurdly favorable for the team)

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#33 dotfras
March 28 2013, 04:32PM
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@Franko J

For real?

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#34 mk
March 28 2013, 04:48PM
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The more entertaining question is who do the Penguins trade for next? :D

Kipper?

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#35 GoIggy
March 28 2013, 04:51PM
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J-Bo to the Oilers for Paarjarvi, Jones, a 1st in 2014, a 2nd in 2013.

No way oilers move a 1st this year, but they have excess skilled forwards, need a minute eating dman...

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#36 Franko J
March 28 2013, 05:23PM
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@ dotfras Just throwing it out there. No different from all the Iginla banter and speculation.

Hey I would trade Bouwmeester straight up for Smith. Sorry from day one but I have not liked Bouwmeester. Just like Regher, the sooner they are off this team the better. With him in this team has this team been better? Right now which team is the 29th in the league in goals for. Which defenseman plays the most minutes for this team?

No leadership ability and very soft. Sure he can skate but that is the only asset he has. If the team can move him, they will be better off.

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#37 Baalzamon
March 28 2013, 05:28PM
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The Flames can afford to be patient with Bouwmeester. Not so much because they could trade him next year at the deadline, but they have the option of getting good value trading him at the draft. They didn't have that option with Iginla.

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#38 Old Retired Guy
March 28 2013, 06:21PM
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everton fc wrote:

I'll be pulling for the Pens, in the playoffs.

Watched Iggy's press conference. He leaves a class act. Great character all the way. A good role model, for the kids.

Of course.....He's an Edmonton boy....what else would you expect.

And yes....he does deserve a cup....and chances are pretty good he'll be hoisting it this spring......kinda like Raymond Bourque did a few years back.

What's equally interesting is, where will he play in 2014??

Maybe he comes home to Edmonton and wins a second cup....and a third.....and takes his rightful place in hockey history!!!

THE RIVALRY IS STILL ALIVE!

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#39 Old Retired Guy
March 28 2013, 06:26PM
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GoIggy wrote:

J-Bo to the Oilers for Paarjarvi, Jones, a 1st in 2014, a 2nd in 2013.

No way oilers move a 1st this year, but they have excess skilled forwards, need a minute eating dman...

All trolling aside.....

Oilers seem very interested in J-Bo.....Players they seem willing to move include Hemsky, Whitney, maybe Smid (surprisingly), and definitely 2nd rounders in 2013 and a first rounder in 2014.

At least that's my take.

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#40 backburner
March 28 2013, 06:38PM
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J Bo to the Blues for Schwartz or Rattie

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#41 Jerrod
March 28 2013, 07:29PM
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Funny how it works fans overestimate the return for one of their players.

You want J-Bo traded because you don't think he is that good, but the return you want makes him an All-Star.

Personally I think he is a very good Dman , plays against the best comp. However he is not going to score many points.

Next season he will be 30 yrs old and his greatest asset is his skating ability. Which is the first thing to slip when you get older.

Dont't forget Feaster is the GM so really what will be the return?

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#42 dotfras
March 28 2013, 09:15PM
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I see J Bo netting a Roster Player ($), Solid Prospect, & 1 or 2nd Round Pick in 2013.

If the Flames & trading partner could agree on the Flames eating a portion of the money, remove roster player & add a secondary pick/prospect.

I think that's a fair return.

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#43 the-wolf
March 28 2013, 09:37PM
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Do not make the same mistake twice and trade JBo as a rental. Woods an shutout are right. Eat cap space and move him. Jarnkrok, a lower prospect like Oulette and a first. That's fair value for a 5M 29 year old 30 min/night D man.

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#44 RKD
March 28 2013, 10:00PM
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Well if Kipper says he will refuse to report to any team traded to then I think Jay-Bo will be the next to go. Detroit is probably the frontrunner as they have not filled Lidstrom's spot. While Jay-Bo is no Nick Lidstrom, he can give Det 25 mins a night. The second team I see making a pitch are the St. Louis Blues they want a guy with a left handed shot to play with Pietrangelo.

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#45 Colin
March 28 2013, 10:47PM
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Bouwmeester should net us a Roster player, two propsects and a first. he is still a top teir defencemen, and we will easily get that should we eat part of next years salary, which we really should.

Think about it, next year we are not going for it, we will re-tool and play out a season of us losing, there is no reason we can't use the new CBA to our advantage. There is no way we are a cap team next year, so use 2-3 million of it on Bouwmeester and get a killer return.

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#46 Victoria Flames Fan
March 29 2013, 12:46AM
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Can we bring Ryan Walter or someone in to pinch-manage for the next couple days while we shop J Bo et al. I just don't trust Feaster.

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#47 SmellOfVictory
March 29 2013, 01:45AM
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the-wolf wrote:

Do not make the same mistake twice and trade JBo as a rental. Woods an shutout are right. Eat cap space and move him. Jarnkrok, a lower prospect like Oulette and a first. That's fair value for a 5M 29 year old 30 min/night D man.

If the Flames got that for JBo I would squeal like a little girl.

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#48 SydScout
March 29 2013, 08:10AM
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Baalzamon wrote:

three rotten eggs, a used blender, and half a ham sandwich?

Jerrod was referring to a JBo trade, not trying to trade Feaster (although there is little difference in Feaster and aforementioned return)

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#49 kantsequentialist
March 29 2013, 01:32PM
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I feel like people are deciding who to sell and who to keep based on cap hit and nothing else. If I had to choose, I would rather have Cammy than Tangs.

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#50 backburner
March 29 2013, 03:12PM
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The only way I would trade J Bo to Edmonton is for there first round pick 2013.

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