Post-Game: Not Much To Say

Kent Wilson
March 09 2013 11:25PM

 

 

 

 


 

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#51 FireOnIce
March 10 2013, 01:59PM
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Chris Fairfield wrote:

Anyone know the extent of GlenX injury?

GlenX is injured? Can't find any info about that anywhere.

Why do people keep asking about Iginla? He's been offered extensions twice. He refused them. Recently, the Flames and him both said that they're waiting until the offseason to make a new deal (THIS IS CONFIRMED! HAS BEEN SAID!).

He's going to jump ship for nothing if they don't trade him NOW. NOW. Not in the offseason. No waiting at the trade deadline because "Flames are in 9th, if we just win this b2b against the Ducks, we can be in 8th". No. Trade Iginla. Trade Kipper. St Louis. Ty Rattie. First. Bag of f##king pucks. Whatever you can salvage now.

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#52 Chris Fairfield
March 10 2013, 02:04PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

GlenX is injured? Can't find any info about that anywhere.

Why do people keep asking about Iginla? He's been offered extensions twice. He refused them. Recently, the Flames and him both said that they're waiting until the offseason to make a new deal (THIS IS CONFIRMED! HAS BEEN SAID!).

He's going to jump ship for nothing if they don't trade him NOW. NOW. Not in the offseason. No waiting at the trade deadline because "Flames are in 9th, if we just win this b2b against the Ducks, we can be in 8th". No. Trade Iginla. Trade Kipper. St Louis. Ty Rattie. First. Bag of f##king pucks. Whatever you can salvage now.

Just prior to game time last night, they said that GlenX was scratched and would not be in the lineup. They then showed GlenX in practice gear, taping his right wrist and hand.

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#53 Kurt
March 10 2013, 02:17PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

Just to add insult to injury I watched the HNIC post game panel. I should have known better. My attitude toward PJ Stock, and Kevin Weeks is dismissive disrespect, and listening to Glen Healy's rants can bring me to a boiling rage. I didn't think of it till KW commented last night, but HNIC needs to get those guys off of that show. They don't come in prepared, offer no new insights or perspectives and fight the only professionals (McLean and Freidman) in the room for talk time.

All they did was pile on with uneducated, old narratives of the Flames. Not one credited how good the Standley Cup Champion was last night, or saw the game for what it was. Simply put, an elite team outplaying a bubble team.

What is you problem with the CBC crew? They pointed out that this Flames team is a disaster of a train wreck with no prospects, no future and no plan. If you can't take the truth you want to hire new people who give you a different truth? You may not like to hear it, but you'd have a hard time finding any analysts who disagreed with what PJ Stock says about the Flames. Terrible team, empty cupboards, complete denial.

This team is terrible, LA didn't play all that well, we just suck.

Did you see the clip after the game where Friedman showed Iggy on the bench looking completely done. He has checked out... I just pray that he realizes its time to ask for a trade. Its lame that they are letting Iggy decide the future of this organization. They should tell him he is done, not ask him.

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#54 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 10 2013, 02:34PM
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Kurt wrote:

What is you problem with the CBC crew? They pointed out that this Flames team is a disaster of a train wreck with no prospects, no future and no plan. If you can't take the truth you want to hire new people who give you a different truth? You may not like to hear it, but you'd have a hard time finding any analysts who disagreed with what PJ Stock says about the Flames. Terrible team, empty cupboards, complete denial.

This team is terrible, LA didn't play all that well, we just suck.

Did you see the clip after the game where Friedman showed Iggy on the bench looking completely done. He has checked out... I just pray that he realizes its time to ask for a trade. Its lame that they are letting Iggy decide the future of this organization. They should tell him he is done, not ask him.

the only thing I would disagree with is that LA didn't play well.

I thought they played a solid game, and they really pushed our guys around physically, which seemed to intimidate them considerably. They played a "D.-Sutter" game perfectly.

I thought i was being a 'realist' to hope for one point out of this tour through California, now i realize i was being a sunny optimist. :-)

In Other News:

I think (or should I say hope) that now the Flames Org doesn't keep hanging onto hopes of a run to squeak in, squashing any value of trading a couple of assets. Trading now, before they become valueless, is not "blowing it up" but is prudent.

If they don't, then I will be forced to buy into many of the theories regarding ownership...

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#55 backburner
March 10 2013, 02:36PM
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I have always been resistant of the whole "Blow it up" rebuild just because we lost a few games... always thought the Flames just needed a few tweaks here and there to be back in the fold.

My opinion has changed dramatically over since the ROR thing blew up in our faces.. I am now convinced that, if done correctly, selling off some pieces now for some good prospects would probably lead to a Cup in the not so distant future..

I guess I'd rather cheer for a young inexperienced team loose, than get frustrated watching a team worth 70 million a year not show up every night.. it's insane.

I think if the Flames made these moves for example,and tank the rest of the season for Jones, it could be an exciting turnaround:

Iggy - (PENS) Pouliot and pick J Bo - (BLUES) Rattie and pick Cammalleri - (BRUINS) Spooner Kipper - (LEAFS) 1st Butler + Glencross - (SENS) Bishop + Stone

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#56 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 10 2013, 02:38PM
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Victoria Flames Fan wrote:

Sorry. I don't mean to suggest you are reading into 1 game. I think we forget how much contingency exists in sport. Last year a bounce or two and the Flames would have been in that 8th spot that LA ended up in. A little luck, a deep playoff run and all of sudden Flames mgmt. would have been geniuses for keeping the core together. In a league of incredible parity it's bound to be a crazy ride with lots of ups and downs. A few good bounces we'll be in the playoffs, a few bad ones we'll be at the bottom looking up ( and I'm stoked to see Seth Jones play tonight)

up until very recently, i was drinking the same cool-aid. ;-)

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#57 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 10 2013, 02:39PM
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@backburner

what concerns me is that i felt the team did show up for much of the game, only to be pushed around and intimidated and outplayed

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#58 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 10 2013, 02:43PM
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Stockley wrote:

I no longer trust the Flames braintrust to do the right thing. I'm expecting a series of idiotic trades designed to get them back into the running, etc. Someone upstairs is in serious denial about where this team is and where it is going. Either that or they just don't care. Not sure which is worse honestly.

what I am wondering is if Feaster's leash is starting to choke him yet, or does management still consider this a result of Sutter management and give Feaster a pass?

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#59 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 10 2013, 02:46PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

Just to add insult to injury I watched the HNIC post game panel. I should have known better. My attitude toward PJ Stock, and Kevin Weeks is dismissive disrespect, and listening to Glen Healy's rants can bring me to a boiling rage. I didn't think of it till KW commented last night, but HNIC needs to get those guys off of that show. They don't come in prepared, offer no new insights or perspectives and fight the only professionals (McLean and Freidman) in the room for talk time.

All they did was pile on with uneducated, old narratives of the Flames. Not one credited how good the Standley Cup Champion was last night, or saw the game for what it was. Simply put, an elite team outplaying a bubble team.

I agree that PJ and Weeks are taking time from commentators that are actually interesting and prepared, and I also think that both weeks and PJ are flames haters for whatever reason... but that being said, as much as i disliked hearing what they said, it is nonetheless hard to argue.

dark times for Flames fans... :'-(

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#60 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 10 2013, 02:52PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

picto-posts after losses were a favorite back in my early blogging days. Good to see they are still in fashion apparently.

can't say I blame you... sometimes there are just no words for the feelings... ;-)

keep up the good work buddy, and keep your chin up.

:-D

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#61 Kevin R
March 10 2013, 03:10PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

GlenX is injured? Can't find any info about that anywhere.

Why do people keep asking about Iginla? He's been offered extensions twice. He refused them. Recently, the Flames and him both said that they're waiting until the offseason to make a new deal (THIS IS CONFIRMED! HAS BEEN SAID!).

He's going to jump ship for nothing if they don't trade him NOW. NOW. Not in the offseason. No waiting at the trade deadline because "Flames are in 9th, if we just win this b2b against the Ducks, we can be in 8th". No. Trade Iginla. Trade Kipper. St Louis. Ty Rattie. First. Bag of f##king pucks. Whatever you can salvage now.

Well I have just seen 2 recent sites say that there have been zero negotiations with Iggy. There was one last week on The Fourth Period & then I was on TSN & look into Sunday Rumours & they again clame there have been no negotiations happening. Not sure how credible these guys are, but if it is true & I really will be struggling to see any intellectual honesty here. Your sources on the 2 turned down offers? If thats true, then I think the decision is made. Lots of rumour sites showing major interest from Pitt, Boston & Detroit. Maybe the decision has already been made.

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#63 paper bag prince
March 10 2013, 06:22PM
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IMO the axe should fall squarely on the neck of a one Mr. N. Murray Edwards and his CNRL yes men cronies... Doc Seamen must be rolling in his grave right now. RIP.

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#64 schevvy
March 10 2013, 06:27PM
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Well here's some good news. Assuming the Oilers can hold on to a 4-0 lead, Flames are tied for last in the West. Surely that has to get management's attention.

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#65 Monaertchi
March 10 2013, 06:49PM
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schevvy wrote:

Well here's some good news. Assuming the Oilers can hold on to a 4-0 lead, Flames are tied for last in the West. Surely that has to get management's attention.

Well, I was hoping for a CHI comeback for the comedy of it, but now that I know that, GO OILERS GO!

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#66 GermanFlame
March 10 2013, 07:01PM
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schevvy wrote:

Well here's some good news. Assuming the Oilers can hold on to a 4-0 lead, Flames are tied for last in the West. Surely that has to get management's attention.

Colorado is currently playing as well, 1-0 COL.

If they win Calgary will be dead last in the west. 1 point behind Edmonton, 2 pts behind Colorado and Columbus. It's that bad, yikes.

And I don't care how many games they have in hand (they would actually need to win those) I hope it happens.

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#67 schevvy
March 10 2013, 07:12PM
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Where's Rex? Watching the Oiler-Hawks game, obviously the Flames could've used Yann Danis...

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#68 backburner
March 10 2013, 07:25PM
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Jeff In Lethbridge wrote:

what concerns me is that i felt the team did show up for much of the game, only to be pushed around and intimidated and outplayed

I guess that's true, no hope there. You can only change coaches or different systems so many times before you just admit they suck.

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#69 schevvy
March 10 2013, 09:05PM
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It's official, with COL getting a point, Flames are last in the West. Wake up management.

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#70 Jay
March 10 2013, 09:07PM
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Is the picture of the train a train wreck or does it depict 'off the rails' cuz both are a good description of the flames....dating back a good 10 to 12 years.

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#71 Sincity1976
March 10 2013, 09:28PM
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@schevvy

Yup. A full 6-points back without many games in hand on the teams that really matter. If the Flames lose tomorrow even Feaster won't (shouldn't) be able to go for it.

Of course, the Flames will win. Bet your house on it. There won't be any clean death for us.

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#72 clYDE
March 10 2013, 09:45PM
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Sincity1976 wrote:

Yup. A full 6-points back without many games in hand on the teams that really matter. If the Flames lose tomorrow even Feaster won't (shouldn't) be able to go for it.

Of course, the Flames will win. Bet your house on it. There won't be any clean death for us.

No, we are so far from being able to compete with the big boys that it would take a Kipperian 2004 effort to win this one. We are safe. Iggy's close up last night pretty much said it all.

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#73 Q
March 10 2013, 09:59PM
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The hilarious thing about this team is that management has somehow had it in their mind that we are a middle of the pack team! They believe that a "few" minor adjustments will get them into the playoffs. Now that we really see what this team is about there are only two things that catch ownership attention: 1. No fans at the games( and the ones that are there wearing paper bags). 2. Being last place. This is monumental because until now Sutter and Feaster have had us within 3 or 4 of 8th year after year. Lets hope the bleeding doesn't stop here. I would love to see another major slaughter in LA and let's pray that ownership really gets it. If I'm iggy I'm gone by the deadline and sign a couple yrs in Pitt. This is awesome people! Bleed baby bleed and trade baby trade. Answer to our prayers!

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#74 Q
March 10 2013, 10:09PM
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@ kent. Kent if the bleeding doesn't stop for say a week before the deadline , generally speaking, what does your Chrystal Ball tell you. There is alot of the usual Iginla talk but wouldn't u think the trading has to go waaay beyond Iggy and Kipper? This team is so small even if they are fast! I personally feel the purging of Sutter-related players has to take place! A brand new culture ie. : tanguay Glennx jaybo Gio stajan backs. It's been all too stale for too long!

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#75 Sincity1976
March 10 2013, 10:30PM
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@clYDE

Mark my words. Not only will the Flames win, they will look really really good doing it. Then the bandwagon jumpers (who ironically accuse people like me of being bandwagon jumpers) will jump back on leaving dollar signs in Kings eyes. King will start chanting 'arena, arena, arena' in the shower and use just a little bit of extra soap time as he pictures Iginla signing a long term contract extension.

Then two games later reality will hit and we will crash down to earth. Rinse and repeat through April 3 before we finish in a solid 10 or 11 in the West and lose Iginla for nothing and try to replace him with a mid-round 1st (assuming Feaster hasn't traded it on some 'size' at the deadline).

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#76 Chris Fairfield
March 10 2013, 10:48PM
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It's official, dead last in the West!

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#77 Franko J
March 10 2013, 11:05PM
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RKD wrote:

Terrible, the Flames got slaughtered this weekend. They are behind the Kings and Ducks in terms of talent by leaps and bounds.

Tanking like Edmonton and icing a team full of picks isn't the answer. The Oiler kids have a lot of skill and talent but their compete level and desire to win, mental toughness just isn't there. When the going gets tough, they seem to fold. I don't want a team like that.

Teams are smart they aren't going to trade away their good young players. Look at how fast Colorado match the offer sheet, they had 7 days and did it within mere hours. The Flames just have to keep drafting and improve their scouting.

Trading Iggy and Kipper is not going to yield you the return you may have gotten for them years ago. Look at the return in the Nash deal. You would probably get more for guys like Jay-Bo, Gio, Glencross, Stempniak, etc. This transition rebuild means a lot of short term pain for long term gains. In a few years, the hope is guys like Baertschi are leading the team with a slew of others. We just to have keep waiting and missing the playoffs until the Jankowskis, Gaudreaus, etc. are ready. I still think Barts should be on the top 2 lines, but if he isn't good enough send him back for top 3 AHL minutes. The Leafs were patient with Kadri and its paying big dividends now.

Very true. Excellent analysis in regards to where this team should be heading short and long term.

While trading Iginla, Kiprusoff, and Bouwmeester would help excelerate the fortunes of this franchise, I for one strongly agree it begins with drafting and developing young talented players. Right now like yourself I firmly believe a teams success good or bad is a direct result from sound scouting.

While Baertschi, Gaudreu, and let us say Ferland show promise, neither of these guys are ready yet. As well, haven't provided me with any indication they are ready to knock Iginla off his position with this team. Take on a stronger role with this team.

With this team, because of incompetent and abysmal drafting from 2000 to 2010, it will be painful watching this team. Like I said before, it doesn't where you draft (yes drafting 1st overall does help) , but who you draft as an organization.

@ RKD

There is no easy fix, but there is plenty of fixing to be done with this team.

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#78 aloudoun
March 10 2013, 11:20PM
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It saddens me what a debacle this has become. If this franchise had so much respect for Iginla they would have done him a service and built a great team around him OR traded him away. Iginla is not the star player on the Calgary Flames nor should we expect him to be. But because of our poor drafting and questionable trades over the years he has no one to step in to his shoes and carry the load for him. Tampa Bay had Lecalvier who was the star player but now that he is older he doesn't need to carry the team night in and night out because they drafted guys like Stamkos and Hedman.

Regardless of what happens (and I hope he does get traded to a contender like the Penguins or Bruins) no one will ever wear a 12 in a Calgary Flames jersey. That jersey will be hanging in the rafters.

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#79 Nick T
March 10 2013, 11:52PM
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Bikeit wrote:

I don't buy all the venom at Feaster. He knew he had to start getting more assets in the cupboard and has started doing that. Lets not overlook what the Coach of LA did to Calgary. He mortgaged the future and got poor return on his assets (Phaneuf, Leopold, Ference, 1st round picks, keep going) and now you are seeing it. The only thing i disagree with feaster is throwing money at the problem and selling hope. I look forward to the draft.

Wow how long are you going to hang on to that. Feaster took over a team that was in better shape than the one Sutter took over in 2004 from Craig Button. If you are willing to do the research you will find they had missed the playoffs for about 7 or 8 years. He traded for Kipper and built teams that were competitive teams for the next 4 to 5 years plus took the team to the 7th game of the finals. I'm not defending some of the moves in the last 2 years but at least take a balanced look at his tenure. Feaster has had sufficient time and should be judged on his own merit including coming dangerously close to losing this year's first rounder which will be the highest Flames history.

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#80 NateBaldwin
March 11 2013, 02:22AM
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@aloudoun

Helps to draft first overall and then follow that up with drafting second overall.

Also, good news for Calgary! Feaster drafted stamkos so he should be able to find a new star player for Calgary.

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#81 suba steve
March 11 2013, 08:20AM
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@Nick T

I will disagree. The team "Sutter took over in 2004" had a 26(ish) year old Iggy and Kipper. That team immediately marched to game 7 of the Stanley Cup final. How close is this current squad? I will go on record as saying that all these guys (Button, Sutter, Feaster) made some good and some bad moves. For Feaster, the next 3-4 weeks will set in stone (for me) the value of his era in Calgary.

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#82 meat1
March 11 2013, 08:44AM
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As of this morning, we are seven points out of sole possession of 8th place. Sound daunting? Add to that the fact that we need to pass SEVEN teams to get there.....and the games in hand will net us, at our torrid pace, probably two points.

Feaster can't keep trotting out the 'intellectual honesty' speech every time he practices his public speaking, if he doesn't look at these standings and realize exactly where he has this team at.

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#83 Stockley
March 11 2013, 09:12AM
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paper bag prince wrote:

IMO the axe should fall squarely on the neck of a one Mr. N. Murray Edwards and his CNRL yes men cronies... Doc Seamen must be rolling in his grave right now. RIP.

Unfortunately we can't call for the head of or the firing of an owner. He can do whatever he wants.

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#84 Kurt
March 11 2013, 09:43AM
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As of this morning, we are seven points out of sole possession of 8th place. Sound daunting? Add to that the fact that we need to pass SEVEN teams to get there.....and the games in hand will net us, at our torrid pace, probably two points.

Feaster can't keep trotting out the 'intellectual honesty' speech every time he practices his public speaking, if he doesn't look at these standings and realize exactly where he has this team at.

I think its funny people are even looking at the standings and counting points and figuring out if we can catch up. Its OVER. O-V-E-R, over. Done. Finito. Forget about it. Thats all she wrote.

There is no chance we make the playoffs. We need to go 9 or 10 games above .500, basically pull off what Chicago has the first half.

People need to face it. Move on. Stop talking about wins and losses and start talking about trading Iggy. All day, everyday, thats it. The only thing that will help this team is trading and bringing in some draft picks and new blood and then sucking the hind banana for a few more years.

Here is the scientific analysis. Mathematically we sit at a 13% chance of making the playoffs. In case you aren't good at math thats an 87% of NOT making the playoffs.

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Western/Northwest/Calgary.html

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#85 everton fc
March 11 2013, 09:48AM
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A look at the farm shows we have little depth. Even with Reinhart and Baertschi.

As I've said before, our roster resembles an expansion franchise. Butler was seen as a coup in the Regehr trade, and then doesn't play to start the season. Jones, the "great steal" by Feaster last season, is on the farm, rotting. Wasn't even poached off the waiver wire. As much as I like Begin, he's a typical expansion-roster player, as is McGratton. And where was the pushback from the fans when we signed McGratton, a goon in the same mould (pun intended) as PL3 and Ivanans? Fans seemed to not mind that move.

We have no grit. We are too small. Weak. When brought up over the summer, some pushed back, said all the same sad things - "We need finesse. We need skill." And so on. We need skilled guys who are physical. Which means we need to rebuild, as they are hard to come by. But they do exist...

Of course the fans want to move Iginla. And Kipper. They did last year, and the year prior. Time to pull the trigger. On many of these guys. None are winners. Many have never won at this level. A team of has-beens and also-rans will finish no better than .500, and probably a few games below. We give up way too many goals. Did I mention, outside of the 4th line, we have zero grit?

Why isn't Feaster held accountable? He who signed both PL3 and McGrattan? It gets old hearing he inherited everything from Sutter. Sounds like Obama. Feaster re-signed Babchuk. Never forget this!

A good GM would not allow this to be an obstacle. And a good GM wouldn't let ownership call the shots as much, if this is indeed, and issue. The whole organization needs to be blown up. This is the only solution here. In my opinion.

We don't re-sign Moss, and he has 12 points, having a decent, Mosser season. Typical. People want to trade Iginla; he leads the team in scoring! Again, typical. Cervenka isn't seeming to pan out. He is smallish, of course... No grit...

Our top 9 scorers are over the age of 28. 3 are over the age of 30. I fail to see evidence this team's improving. If anything, they are worse defencively than last year.

And for those who want to blow this up, Feaster and Weisbrod are not the duo I want handling this. I want Jason Botterill as GM. Now. He understnad the game, and is educated at the university level to understand the cap. A perfect combination. The Jankowski pick shows how farr off we are. They draft a guy they may never see play!

Rant over.

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#86 vowswithin
March 11 2013, 09:51AM
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Stockley wrote:

Unfortunately we can't call for the head of or the firing of an owner. He can do whatever he wants.

I wish I knew of a way to call for accountability other then to just stop following the team and not buying tickets. Sadly as you all probably know and can tell by some peoples comments in various threads they will keep going to the games and supporting this piece of $#^@ on ice product.

Sadly I love the team but if we are not sellers at this deadline and we don't make some SERIOUS moves to rebuild or "retool", we are going to be Edmonton V 2.0 but likely without the luck they had drafting 3 back to back.

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#87 vowswithin
March 11 2013, 09:57AM
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As I am thinking about it, as much as I liked the idea of getting ROR (HAD IT WORKED OUT), it would have likely allowed us to stay relevant in the 8-11 picture instead of last in the conference. I would imagine ROR + Backs could have kept us there and kept the team from moving forward...

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