Jay Bouwmeester traded to St. Louis

Jonathan Willis
April 01 2013 07:18PM

Photo: Resolute Wikimedia

According to multiple media reports, the Calgary Flames have sent veteran defenceman Jay Bouwmeester to the St. Louis Blues. Coming back is a conditional first round draft pick, as well as prospects Mark Cundari and Reto Berra.

The Return

The conditional first round draft choice. As per James Mirtle, the first round pick will be a 2013 selection if St. Louis makes the playoffs this season, and a 2014 pick if the Blues fail to make the playoffs. Should the first round pick be deferred to 2014, Calgary will also receive the Blues' fourth-round selection in 2013.

Mark Cundari. The soon to be 23-year old Cundari was never drafted, but plays a well-rounded game - he has ability with the puck, doesn't back down physically, and is strong positionally. The problem is that he's undersized for the position, listed at 5'10", 210 pounds. He's a decent prospect, but hardly a blue-chipper. The good news is that he's good enough to play regularly in the AHL right now.

Reto Berra. A fourth-round draft pick in 2006. Berra is likely best-known in North America for his work representing Switzerland at the World Juniors (he also played at the 2012 World Championships). He's spent the last few seasons in the top Swiss league, posting mediocre numbers (he has a 0.906 save percentage this season). The good news is that he's interested in coming to North America; the bad news is that based on his work overseas he may not have much of an impact.  

It's a very similar package to what the Flames received for Jarome Iginla: a first round draft pick and a pair of middling prospects that will fill depth roles but cannot be regarded as high-end acquisitions.

The Context

Bouwmeester led the Flames in ice-time this season, averaging 25:09 per game; he also led the Flames' blue line in quality of competition and the percentage of shifts started in the defensive zone. Elliotte Friedman tweets that the Blues will assume responsibility for the entirety of Bouwmeester's contract, saving the Flames $6.6 million dollars next season and slightly more ($6.68 million) in cap hit. 

However, on the same day that Buffalo dealt Robyn Regehr - older, not signed for next season, and averaging almost 7:00 less per game - for a pair of second round draft picks, the return for a legitimate top-pairing NHL defenceman like Bouwmeester seems underwhelming. With the additional context of the Douglas Murray trade (again, for two second round picks) days earlier, that feeling is reinforced. 

In the defence of Flames management, Bouwmeester's no-trade clause doubtless limited the number of teams they could negotiate with. Even so, this is clearly a trade that favours St. Louis - in a fight for their playoff lives, they managed to add a top-pairing defenceman for what is likely to be a middling first round pick and two guys they likely won't ever miss. 

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#51 Mitch P
April 01 2013, 07:58PM
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@Jonathan Willis

That is a reasonable assessment that I can't argue.

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#52 Alt
April 01 2013, 08:01PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

If Bouwmeester and Regehr (or Murray, for that matter) were identical players, the Flames absolutely came away with a steal here.

But they aren't. Bouwmeester is significantly better, and commanded only a marginally bigger return.

His 6.8 mill contract had to be an issue, along with the Cap drop next year. The Flames have dumped a lot of salary,and that should also be taken into account.

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#53 Captain Ron
April 01 2013, 08:02PM
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LOL Babchuk probably plays in this one

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#54 Chris Fairfield
April 01 2013, 08:02PM
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Franko J wrote:

As of April 28th the current regime should be gutted. From the President on down to the coaching staff. If the Flames are making trades like this one Feaster and company surely have no clue to building a team. As well, the ownership appears that they are going on the cheap side of a roster. Maybe they want to recoup past financial losses. Can we say salary dump?

DAMMIT FEASTER!

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#55 ChinookArch
April 01 2013, 08:03PM
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Feaster said that there was a lot of interest in Bouwmeester, but that the cap hit was to big, and some teams couldn't make it work. Why didn't he eat some of the contract?

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#56 Emir
April 01 2013, 08:03PM
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I'm really beginning to struggle on how I support jay anymore. Really thought we would do better when trading jbo.

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#57 the forgotten man
April 01 2013, 08:03PM
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Rob wrote:

Too funny...

Lets see what pro man has to say

"Mark Cundari could quite possibly be the best defensemen in the Blues' minor league system. Cundari had a stellar junior performance with the Windsor Spitfires of the OHL, and after he was signed as a free agent by the Blues, he was an instant success at the AHL level with the Rivermen in 2010-11. In 69 games played in his rookie season, Cundari had 10 goals and 30 points with a plus-6 rating."

Sounds ok to me, maybe even a tj Brodie who can hit!

5'9"...he'll fit in with our smurf village forwards.

Is it an improvement going from oldest team to smallest team? Maybe I skipped that class.

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#58 Stockley
April 01 2013, 08:04PM
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No one will ever convince me that two prospects you need hockeydb.com to identify and a conditional 1st was the best Feaster could do for a player like Bouwmeester. I don't understand how these guys still have jobs. A handicapped monkey on acid could do a better job than this. I would have been more content to see them take on some of Jay's salary and get back more legitimate prospects.

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#59 Dr. Philosophy
April 01 2013, 08:07PM
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Those sounds you just heard were Hudler and Wideman yelling obscenities and Feaster saying "no backsies"

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#60 negrilcowboy
April 01 2013, 08:09PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

Feaster said that there was a lot of interest in Bouwmeester, but that the cap hit was to big, and some teams couldn't make it work. Why didn't he eat some of the contract?

if there's one thing feaster is apparently talented at it would be eating.

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#61 FireOnIce
April 01 2013, 08:09PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

Feaster said that there was a lot of interest in Bouwmeester, but that the cap hit was to big, and some teams couldn't make it work. Why didn't he eat some of the contract?

Feaster either cannot read, or he chooses to just ignore the CBA. Proclaiming that the cap hit was "too harsh" for some teams just means he should've eaten some of it. Besides, it's only this season and next.

Eat even $2.8M of JBo's salary, make him a $4M D-man and he's all of a sudden palatable. But that didn't happen.

Hence, Feaster is illiterate, or just flat out doesn't bother reading the CBA (or doesn't care what it says). I mean, he IS the smartest person in the room at all points in time, right?

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#62 piscera.infada
April 01 2013, 08:13PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

If Bouwmeester and Regehr (or Murray, for that matter) were identical players, the Flames absolutely came away with a steal here.

But they aren't. Bouwmeester is significantly better, and commanded only a marginally bigger return.

Unfortunately, both Regehr and Murray don't have 6.8 million dollar cap hits (Regher at 4 million next year, Murray 2.5 million dollars).

While I can appreciate people thinking these last two trades were "underwhelming" who did you think we would get? Teams are not looking to overpay for players with large contracts who haven't played on a competitive team for the last three years (unless you think battling for the final playoff spot, only to come up short is competitive.

As was stated in a comment on an earlier article about the Iginla trade - 'teams do not value players based on the fuzzy feelings of a playoff run 9 years ago.' They also don't value players based on the fact that they played amazingly in Florida 4 years ago. I understand Bouwmeester eats up minutes, and he's having a (relatively) good season. But he has still for all intents and purposes been a colossal bust for the Flames.

You can't call for a rebuild, and then whine and moan when it happens. I, for one am excited about what we're doing. Perhaps we aren't getting Tarasenko's or Matta's (the 'blue chip guys'). But were we really expecting that?

If you were, you're dreaming.

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#63 Colin
April 01 2013, 08:14PM
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I've given the benefit of the doubt to Feaster before, I defended him in the ROR debacle and how a person with a law background could interpret the MOU with regards to RFA players coming from Europe to play here he might not have been subject to waivers. I even defended him on the Iginla trade, I expected it to be a low return.

However this is unexceptable, I don't care about the NTC or whatever. He had an assest that wanted to be moved, it shouldn't be hard to move him. It also shouldn't be hard to get a good return.

This is unexceptable, the return on bouwmeester is hot garbage unless STL is the lowest point team to get into the playoffs and is bounced first round. As of right now I am calling for the firing of Feaster after every decision he makes, his decision making is crap. The best feaster is going to be able to say is atleast the Heat might be good in a couple of years.

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#64 Kevin R
April 01 2013, 08:15PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

LOL Babchuk probably plays in this one

Well buddy, God help us. I think I will be walking Molly a little longer tonight. I'm just sick about this. I have no faith in Feaster anymore. This looks like a mad salary dump. I wonder if Edwards is so pissed that we had to move Iggy to a real contender, he's saying, why spend over the floor for this garbage. Cant blame him myself. I never thought this team would wander in the desert like they this one is about to. I hear Kipper is talking extension with the Leafs, maybe we can get an upgrade to a 5th rounder if that happens. God help us.

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#65 Franko J
April 01 2013, 08:16PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

Apparently the Flames have allowed Toronto to talk to Kiprusoff about a hypothetical extension. Seems to me... that the Flames think Berra might be another option vs. Ramo.

Commence Feaster's press conference where he blatantly and shamelessly oversells these to random players he just acquired for no particular reason.

Maybe Berra and Baertschi are buddies.

However if Berra is another option I guess this team has no confidence with Taylor.

Again this team has failed to make a true impact to the roster.

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#66 dotfras
April 01 2013, 08:19PM
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@Franko J

"Again this team has failed to make a true impact to the roster."

Well, technically, they've made a top 3 pick even more realistic.

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#67 MakaVillian
April 01 2013, 08:20PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

Feaster said that there was a lot of interest in Bouwmeester, but that the cap hit was to big, and some teams couldn't make it work. Why didn't he eat some of the contract?

Maybe Ownership isn't willing to eat any money in these trades, I mean I can't believe its just Feaster that has the final say on the money front.

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#68 prendrefeu
April 01 2013, 08:26PM
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Is it too early to say that the Flames are having a fire sale?

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#69 Colin
April 01 2013, 08:29PM
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MakaVillian wrote:

Maybe Ownership isn't willing to eat any money in these trades, I mean I can't believe its just Feaster that has the final say on the money front.

Ownership should set a budget, Feaster should be able to use that budget however the hell he feels. If he wants to use part of that to hold back part of Bouwmeesters salary so the return on trading him doesn't look like we just traded Cory Freaking Sarich, than feaster should be allowed to do that.

Gonna be weird seeing Calgary at the cap floor rather than ceiling.

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#70 Gusset
April 01 2013, 08:30PM
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Lol, way to go feaster. Gave away our best d man for an ahl d, Henrie karlson type goalie and the 20 to 25 th draft pick. Really? I mean really? You incompetence has officially become comical. I'm interested to see what you hav given kipper away for.. Two ahl 3rd liners and a 5th? The heat will be a really good team I guess.

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#71 Captain Ron
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Kevin R wrote:

Well buddy, God help us. I think I will be walking Molly a little longer tonight. I'm just sick about this. I have no faith in Feaster anymore. This looks like a mad salary dump. I wonder if Edwards is so pissed that we had to move Iggy to a real contender, he's saying, why spend over the floor for this garbage. Cant blame him myself. I never thought this team would wander in the desert like they this one is about to. I hear Kipper is talking extension with the Leafs, maybe we can get an upgrade to a 5th rounder if that happens. God help us.

I'll be with ya Kevin. Gonna be a long night out there with Riley listening to the post game. Robert's probably having a few right now preparing for his call in to Paddy tonight. Sure hope the long term gain is worth the pain.

Who's next besides Kipper? Cammi or Tanguay?

I sure hope our own first is top 3 this year.

I'm drinking some Rye when I get home tonight.

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#72 Colin
April 01 2013, 08:31PM
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prendrefeu wrote:

Is it too early to say that the Flames are having a fire sale?

I'd say that sale is to strong of a word, saying we are having a sale implies that we are getting something of value in exchange for the stuff we just sold.

I'd call this more like a Fire Robbery.

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#73 prendrefeu
April 01 2013, 08:33PM
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How long did it take Toronto to become relevant again? I'm looking to them as a better model of rebuilding (*cough*) than Edmonton.

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#74 mk
April 01 2013, 08:35PM
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Do you think its possibly we could get a first for Kipper and then another first for Cammalleri? Package Tanguay and someone to bring our total to 6 first round picks? Then we could draft 20% of the players in the first round - hard to miss that way.

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#75 Captain Ron
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prendrefeu wrote:

How long did it take Toronto to become relevant again? I'm looking to them as a better model of rebuilding (*cough*) than Edmonton.

You may not like the answer to that question.

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#76 Franko J
April 01 2013, 08:38PM
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dotfras wrote:

"Again this team has failed to make a true impact to the roster."

Well, technically, they've made a top 3 pick even more realistic.

Very true. I just thought the Flames could have done better than obtaining another goaltender. It just proves that the value for Bouwmeester was overrated by fans like myself. Hopefully the Flames don't have to take on any of his salary.

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#77 mattyc
April 01 2013, 08:39PM
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@Colin

Fire *Clearance* Sale

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#78 Jeff Lebowski
April 01 2013, 08:39PM
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Everyone wanted first round draft picks when the talk on this forum was about trading the best players. Feaster did that. Plus two other assets. Again. Or he got two picks (1,4) plus two players. For J (4 goals/season in CGY) Bo.

What are you all belly aching about?

Regher, Murray 2 seconds. What should JBo net?

Did you really think JBo would net a top prospect plus a 1st? Or a top prospect alone?

Show me a trade where a top prospect was involved? Who were the principals?

Also this sets up for an oiler scenario. Get the 1 st overall ( or at least top 5) for a few years in a row. You all wanted a rebuild.

Ekblad, McDavid, Day here we come!

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#79 clYDE
April 01 2013, 08:40PM
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Just went on some St. Louis sites. They are shocked they got a first pairing def for a 20-25 draft a 5-6 def at best and a goalie who isn't expected to be able to play here. Especially with def at such a premium. I am shocked as well. This is beyond unbelievable.

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#80 the-wolf
April 01 2013, 08:41PM
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Speechless......

There was no rush here either. Wait until summer if you had to.

I understood the Iginla trade - UFA, owner and KK interference, 35 years old.

But this? Beyond pathetic. It seems obvious to me now that Feaster is trying to shortcut the process with older prospects who he thinks can step right in next season. Because he doesn't want an Oilers style rebuild.

The irony? These moves pretty much guarantee that we will be picking top 5 in the draft for years and rebuilding Oilers style.

What would Philly have paid at the draft for a quick turnaround?

And the apologists can shove it. Tired of their logic that states, "they got the best deal possible because that's the deal they made. No way could another GM have done better, Jay is obviously the standard, if there was better he'd have gotten it!"

Well, seeing what Regehr got today vs when we traded him blows that theory out of the water.

Feaster is a bumbling idiot and needs to be dismissed this summer. No more big name trades until a new GM is in place. Feaster can trade the Babchuks, but that's it.

Better quit laughing at the Oil folks, it's going to be 5 long years minimum, you know, of "wandering in the desert."

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#81 Stockley
April 01 2013, 08:43PM
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Gusset wrote:

Lol, way to go feaster. Gave away our best d man for an ahl d, Henrie karlson type goalie and the 20 to 25 th draft pick. Really? I mean really? You incompetence has officially become comical. I'm interested to see what you hav given kipper away for.. Two ahl 3rd liners and a 5th? The heat will be a really good team I guess.

At this point, with the way he's been playing, we might be lucky to get some magic beans for Kipper. He looks all used up this year.

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#82 Colin
April 01 2013, 08:45PM
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GOOD NEWS, Colorado won and we're gonna lose, so while Feaster stockpiles draft picks that are gonna spend four years in College at least our own pick should be high.

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#83 Ken V.
April 01 2013, 08:45PM
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I laugh and call everyone in management as&holes when we don't win the lotto pick. If JBo was an RFA then someone would send him an offer sheet so we should have got unconditional 1st and 3rd or prospect with an ounce of potential.

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#84 Stockley
April 01 2013, 08:45PM
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the-wolf wrote:

Speechless......

There was no rush here either. Wait until summer if you had to.

I understood the Iginla trade - UFA, owner and KK interference, 35 years old.

But this? Beyond pathetic. It seems obvious to me now that Feaster is trying to shortcut the process with older prospects who he thinks can step right in next season. Because he doesn't want an Oilers style rebuild.

The irony? These moves pretty much guarantee that we will be picking top 5 in the draft for years and rebuilding Oilers style.

What would Philly have paid at the draft for a quick turnaround?

And the apologists can shove it. Tired of their logic that states, "they got the best deal possible because that's the deal they made. No way could another GM have done better, Jay is obviously the standard, if there was better he'd have gotten it!"

Well, seeing what Regehr got today vs when we traded him blows that theory out of the water.

Feaster is a bumbling idiot and needs to be dismissed this summer. No more big name trades until a new GM is in place. Feaster can trade the Babchuks, but that's it.

Better quit laughing at the Oil folks, it's going to be 5 long years minimum, you know, of "wandering in the desert."

We'll be lucky if it's just 5 years at this rate. Holy crap.

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#85 Kypreos
April 01 2013, 08:48PM
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Most of you complaining about the trades are the same ones wanting the trades in the first place.

You never get full value for trading star players. Most times the team trading the star ends up getting the shaft.

Look what Calgary gave up to get him...

WOW

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#86 negrilcowboy
April 01 2013, 08:51PM
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feaster claiming they realy wanted berra, best goalie not playing in the nhl. geez here we go again. feaster translated into english means roll up your pants, your shoes are covered in chit.

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#87 FireOnIce
April 01 2013, 08:52PM
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Uh... Colorado lost 3-2 to Detroit tonight.

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#88 Ted
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Very disappointed in this deal. A d-man who projects, at best, to be a third pairing. Another goalie "prospect" who is not even considered a prospect by Hockey Future. The real kick in the nuts has to be the conditional nature of the 1st round pick.

Feaster didn't need to trade Jay Bo. My question now is why trade just for the sake of making a trade?

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#89 Stockley
April 01 2013, 08:53PM
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negrilcowboy wrote:

feaster claiming they realy wanted berra, best goalie not playing in the nhl. geez here we go again. feaster translated into english means roll up your pants, your shoes are covered in chit.

For a best goalie playing in Europe he has pretty pedestrian statistics.

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#90 Mangotanker
April 01 2013, 08:53PM
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Uh, CGY gave up.... cap space for Bouwmeester. Cuz they signed him. They threw away a 3rd and Leopold for his neg. rights, if thats wat u mean?

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#91 the-wolf
April 01 2013, 08:54PM
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Jeff Lebowski wrote:

Everyone wanted first round draft picks when the talk on this forum was about trading the best players. Feaster did that. Plus two other assets. Again. Or he got two picks (1,4) plus two players. For J (4 goals/season in CGY) Bo.

What are you all belly aching about?

Regher, Murray 2 seconds. What should JBo net?

Did you really think JBo would net a top prospect plus a 1st? Or a top prospect alone?

Show me a trade where a top prospect was involved? Who were the principals?

Also this sets up for an oiler scenario. Get the 1 st overall ( or at least top 5) for a few years in a row. You all wanted a rebuild.

Ekblad, McDavid, Day here we come!

Michalek in Ottawa.

Coyle in Minnesota.

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#92 Kypreos
April 01 2013, 08:57PM
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Uh, CGY gave up.... cap space for Bouwmeester. Cuz they signed him. They threw away a 3rd and Leopold for his neg. rights, if thats wat u mean?

I would sooner have a first in a deep draft and two prospects for Leopold and 3rd.

All day long baby!

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#93 FireOnIce
April 01 2013, 08:58PM
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Love how the Flames didn't even get Berra. Or Hanowski. They traded for the RIGHTS to these players. Same with Karri Ramo.

With what... 10 goalies? in the Flames' system, why would Berra come here? Or Ramo for that matter?

We're going to end up with Vesa Toskala as our #1 goalie.

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#94 Stockley
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Kypreos wrote:

I would sooner have a first in a deep draft and two prospects for Leopold and 3rd.

All day long baby!

If the Blues fail to make the playoffs we instead get a high pick in a less deep 2014 draft.

Give me a minute munching defenceman or a more substantial return all day long baby.

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#95 the-wolf
April 01 2013, 09:00PM
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Heard parts of Feaster's interview? Did he even address why they didn't eat cap space?

On another note: just because most fans saw the need for a rebuild doesn't mean they wanted it done in sh!t fashion so can we please stop with that idiotic line of faulty logic?

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#96 Stockley
April 01 2013, 09:00PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Love how the Flames didn't even get Berra. Or Hanowski. They traded for the RIGHTS to these players. Same with Karri Ramo.

With what... 10 goalies? in the Flames' system, why would Berra come here? Or Ramo for that matter?

We're going to end up with Vesa Toskala as our #1 goalie.

That's generally all you ever get when you trade for prospects. Most prospects do not sign a contract until they are ready to turn pro because the team doesn't want to waste one of their 50 contracts on someone who is still playing in junior, college, Europe, etc.

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#97 Michael
April 01 2013, 09:02PM
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Feaster is a disaster...

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#98 Kypreos
April 01 2013, 09:02PM
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Stockley wrote:

If the Blues fail to make the playoffs we instead get a high pick in a less deep 2014 draft.

Give me a minute munching defenceman or a more substantial return all day long baby.

Blues will be in the playoffs.

They are too good of team to not be in.....

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#99 Chris Fairfield
April 01 2013, 09:03PM
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Colin wrote:

GOOD NEWS, Colorado won and we're gonna lose, so while Feaster stockpiles draft picks that are gonna spend four years in College at least our own pick should be high.

Colorado lost and we're gonna lose, c'mon.

Not that anything Flameswise matters at this point but Kipper's value took another gut punch tonight as he allowed 3 goals on 6 shots, MacBackup is in.

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#100 Colin
April 01 2013, 09:03PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Uh... Colorado lost 3-2 to Detroit tonight.

UGH, yeah I read that wrong, that wasn't good, well, whatever, we're still gonna lose so not like we are gaining on them.

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