Jay Bouwmeester traded to St. Louis

Jonathan Willis
April 01 2013 07:18PM

Photo: Resolute Wikimedia

According to multiple media reports, the Calgary Flames have sent veteran defenceman Jay Bouwmeester to the St. Louis Blues. Coming back is a conditional first round draft pick, as well as prospects Mark Cundari and Reto Berra.

The Return

The conditional first round draft choice. As per James Mirtle, the first round pick will be a 2013 selection if St. Louis makes the playoffs this season, and a 2014 pick if the Blues fail to make the playoffs. Should the first round pick be deferred to 2014, Calgary will also receive the Blues' fourth-round selection in 2013.

Mark Cundari. The soon to be 23-year old Cundari was never drafted, but plays a well-rounded game - he has ability with the puck, doesn't back down physically, and is strong positionally. The problem is that he's undersized for the position, listed at 5'10", 210 pounds. He's a decent prospect, but hardly a blue-chipper. The good news is that he's good enough to play regularly in the AHL right now.

Reto Berra. A fourth-round draft pick in 2006. Berra is likely best-known in North America for his work representing Switzerland at the World Juniors (he also played at the 2012 World Championships). He's spent the last few seasons in the top Swiss league, posting mediocre numbers (he has a 0.906 save percentage this season). The good news is that he's interested in coming to North America; the bad news is that based on his work overseas he may not have much of an impact.  

It's a very similar package to what the Flames received for Jarome Iginla: a first round draft pick and a pair of middling prospects that will fill depth roles but cannot be regarded as high-end acquisitions.

The Context

Bouwmeester led the Flames in ice-time this season, averaging 25:09 per game; he also led the Flames' blue line in quality of competition and the percentage of shifts started in the defensive zone. Elliotte Friedman tweets that the Blues will assume responsibility for the entirety of Bouwmeester's contract, saving the Flames $6.6 million dollars next season and slightly more ($6.68 million) in cap hit. 

However, on the same day that Buffalo dealt Robyn Regehr - older, not signed for next season, and averaging almost 7:00 less per game - for a pair of second round draft picks, the return for a legitimate top-pairing NHL defenceman like Bouwmeester seems underwhelming. With the additional context of the Douglas Murray trade (again, for two second round picks) days earlier, that feeling is reinforced. 

In the defence of Flames management, Bouwmeester's no-trade clause doubtless limited the number of teams they could negotiate with. Even so, this is clearly a trade that favours St. Louis - in a fight for their playoff lives, they managed to add a top-pairing defenceman for what is likely to be a middling first round pick and two guys they likely won't ever miss. 

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#201 FireOnIce
April 01 2013, 11:49PM
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Needless to say, Kipper torpedoed any chance of the Flames getting even a half-decent return if they trade him. Dare I say it's on purpose?

You couldn't even give him away at this point. SV% of 0.500? Wow. Might as well have just called the team and told them he had been kidnapped.

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#202 Stockley
April 01 2013, 11:51PM
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FireOnIce wrote:

Needless to say, Kipper torpedoed any chance of the Flames getting even a half-decent return if they trade him. Dare I say it's on purpose?

You couldn't even give him away at this point. SV% of 0.500? Wow. Might as well have just called the team and told them he had been kidnapped.

If by some miracle the Leafs do take him off our hands; it's sort of sad that he goes out like that. The other legend at least scored the GWG in his last game at the 'Dome. Kipp's last game as a Flame could be an atrocious loss to our dreaded rivals.

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#203 Senator Theo
April 01 2013, 11:56PM
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You wanted a rebuild? You got it flames fans!

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#204 BurningSensation
April 01 2013, 11:57PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Sure, but then ask for a 5th round pick. Or nothing, frankly, which is really what Berra is.

Harltey might have a connection, but it's still bonkers.

I honestly have no insight into Berra at all, but there is a pattern to what they have done with both deal;

- get a 1st rnd pick in the draft

- add in older prospects ready to fight for an NHL job.

Which makes me think;

- They are going to do a huge flush of the older prospects still in the system.

- The new core will be Baertschi and the guys picked after him. .

- They are hunting for replacement level goaltending on the cheap while the goalie kids (Brossoit, Gillies) develop.

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#205 chillout
April 02 2013, 12:00AM
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Well Gio was undrafted and he turned out alright so far. Also I think the JBo trade has already turned out better than the Brian Campbell trade a few years ago. Fairly similar salaries and all that.

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#206 BurningSensation
April 02 2013, 12:00AM
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Blitz wrote:

This is an absolute joke. We could have demanded Ty Rattie. Jay you blasted mutton head. I can't even believe this !@#$.

Why stop at demanding Rattie? Feaster could have demanded Tarasenko, Pitrangelo, and Berglund! The madness!

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#207 the-wolf
April 02 2013, 12:01AM
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BurningSensation wrote:

What did the ROR 'fiasco' cost the Flames in assets?

Not a damn thing. Colorado has an internal budget, and we fed them a poison pill that will choke their cap space. So yeah, we won on the ROR offer.

My only problem with the Bouwmeester deal is that it isn't a crushing victory.

We could use a trade where we absolutely hose the other team - and this wasn't it (unless Berra ends up being Swiss for 'Hasek').

As for your ability to read, well, I always had my doubts.

I admit, when it comes to reading your posts, I do have a problem.

Get real. If the Avs couldn't afford ROR they could've let him go. They made the decision to keep him. They can also trade him later on.

But forget what a blunder it was, the Avs will now maybe possibly have cap issues down the road. You are quite the apologist.

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#208 Stockley
April 02 2013, 12:01AM
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BurningSensation wrote:

I honestly have no insight into Berra at all, but there is a pattern to what they have done with both deal;

- get a 1st rnd pick in the draft

- add in older prospects ready to fight for an NHL job.

Which makes me think;

- They are going to do a huge flush of the older prospects still in the system.

- The new core will be Baertschi and the guys picked after him. .

- They are hunting for replacement level goaltending on the cheap while the goalie kids (Brossoit, Gillies) develop.

We'll see what Broissoit is made of long before Gillies. Would be nice to see him in the AHL next year but maybe he'd be better served with a year of being the unquestioned starter in the ECHL. Goalies don't mature overnight after all, they need to be groomed.

I hope you're right on the flushing over older prospects. It's become painfully obvious a lot of these guys are replacement level NHLers at best. Some of them are barely AHL caliber. Get rid of them, stop wasting contract spots on them. Bringing Street in last summer looked like a good move. A few more like that would be nice. Short term two-way deals. Make it the meritocracy you keep claiming the organization to be and get rid of the passengers.

I'm still peeved at these moves but at this point I'm not sure what this franchise would have to do for me to abandon all hope and find a new team.

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#209 c
April 02 2013, 12:02AM
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BurningSensation wrote:

I honestly have no insight into Berra at all, but there is a pattern to what they have done with both deal;

- get a 1st rnd pick in the draft

- add in older prospects ready to fight for an NHL job.

Which makes me think;

- They are going to do a huge flush of the older prospects still in the system.

- The new core will be Baertschi and the guys picked after him. .

- They are hunting for replacement level goaltending on the cheap while the goalie kids (Brossoit, Gillies) develop.

Do you really think there is a plan? These guys are about 3 weeks removed from being willing to sell the farm for a 2nd line center and now they are blowing it up for marginal prospects.

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#210 HongKongHockeyFan
April 02 2013, 12:06AM
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It's interesting to see that Feaster cannot get any decent prospects/or young serviceable bodies who can play.

I got a feeling Feaster will be taking on bad contracts/overpaying for older players next year to meet the salary cap floor.

Feaster is right for not calling this a 'rebuild'! He's basically set the team back another 3-4 years based on these last two trades.

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#211 Stockley
April 02 2013, 12:14AM
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HongKongHockeyFan wrote:

It's interesting to see that Feaster cannot get any decent prospects/or young serviceable bodies who can play.

I got a feeling Feaster will be taking on bad contracts/overpaying for older players next year to meet the salary cap floor.

Feaster is right for not calling this a 'rebuild'! He's basically set the team back another 3-4 years based on these last two trades.

If you're right on the overpaying comment I hope he's smarter than Florida. They offered way too much term to some of the guys they brought in. They surprised us all through smoke and mirrors last season. This year we're seeing the real Panthers.

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#212 Kent Wilson
April 02 2013, 12:27AM
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@BurningSensation

Could be. You can sign a dozen guys like Berra every summer for nothing though. It's weird to get him thrown in a trade like this, but who knows...maybe he'll be worth a damn.

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#213 CitizenFlame
April 02 2013, 12:28AM
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Is the market that tough right now, or is Feaster that piss poor at trading? I'm not a scout, so I'll defer to the experts about the prospects in return. Scary when most of the insiders need to look it up while on air to figure out who these guys are. I thought we already had the best goalie outside the NHL in Ramo? How is the best player outside the NHL working out for us this year(when he's not benched that is)? How many goalies do we need in the system? Most people will probably stop complaining when the excitement kicks in at the draft and the Flames have 3-4 first rounders to select. If done right, it could fast track a quick rebuild. 2 picks in the top 16 would be pretty great, especially if one is in the top 3. I would be estatic if Calgary could get a 2nd rounder for Kipper at this point, but please God, no more trades with the Leafs. I don't think the Flames should trade off too many more roster players unless there is an unreal offer on the table which there doesn't appear to be this year judging by the returns the Flames have gotten so far - or GM's know Feaster is easier than a $2 hooker. In two deals they've added 2 draft picks and 4 prospects, but 0 roster players and you still need to ice a team. Remember the roster of the late 90's & early 00's? Me neither, because there wasn't much worth remembering. I don't want to go back there. Is there any big UFA's that might be worth targeting with all of this extra cap space, come this July 1st?

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#214 Chris Fairfield
April 02 2013, 12:28AM
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Here's some background (according to Feaster) and that same line that was fed to Flames fans about Cervenka. (top player(s) not playing in the NHL) (As recommended by his scouts)

The six-foot-four, 200-pound goalie from Bulach, Switzerland, has a goals-against average of 3.01 and a save percentage of .906 in 49 games with Biel of the Swiss A League. He's also played for Switzerland at the world hockey championship.

The Flames acquired the rights to Finnish goaltender Karri Ramo in the same deal that brought Mike Cammalleri to Calgary in January 2012.

Feaster says his scouts identified Ramo, currently playing in the KHL, and Berra as the "top two goaltenders in the world not playing in the NHL".

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#215 clYDE
April 02 2013, 12:40AM
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Chris Fairfield wrote:

Here's some background (according to Feaster) and that same line that was fed to Flames fans about Cervenka. (top player(s) not playing in the NHL) (As recommended by his scouts)

The six-foot-four, 200-pound goalie from Bulach, Switzerland, has a goals-against average of 3.01 and a save percentage of .906 in 49 games with Biel of the Swiss A League. He's also played for Switzerland at the world hockey championship.

The Flames acquired the rights to Finnish goaltender Karri Ramo in the same deal that brought Mike Cammalleri to Calgary in January 2012.

Feaster says his scouts identified Ramo, currently playing in the KHL, and Berra as the "top two goaltenders in the world not playing in the NHL".

With the market like it is, we need to move Gio. He must be worth a great return given his contract. Any thoughts?

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#216 Chris Fairfield
April 02 2013, 12:43AM
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Next poll question is, who gets dealt next, on or before the deadline and what is the return?

A. Kiprusoff, return_____________________ B. Cammalerri, return, ____________________ C. Tanguay, return ___________________ D. Edwards, King, Feaster, Weisbrod and any other inept douche, return is peace of mind for all Flames fans.

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#217 everton fc
April 02 2013, 01:16AM
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I am just finding out about this trade. The return is typical of Feaster. Meaning he was once again fleeced.

A savvy, tactical GM would have got a lot more for JBo, but most of us know this already. Feaster is destroying our franchise. We may not recover for years. Anyone that thinks Feaster and Wesibrod can rebuild a hockey team in a major Canadian market is nuts.

We are seeing the beginnings of a long, dark road in the history of our franchise. We are lost. Without a clue, really.

Look what Regehr cost this time around. Look what Feaster parlayed.

Madness.

"Feaster says his scouts identified Ramo, currently playing in the KHL, and Berra as the "top two goaltenders in the world not playing in the NHL"."

Are we suppose to be "jazzed" by this statement?

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#218 Double Dion
April 02 2013, 03:10AM
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I think it speaks more to the ineptitude of our scouting department then anything else. It's a semi-reasonable statement with Ramo. Completely ridiculous with Berra. I think Feaster is just trying to spin positive vibes. This market is too savvy for that though and it's going to blow up on him.

He makes a lot of hyperbolic statements, it's frankly kind of annoying.

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#219 Marcus
April 02 2013, 03:23AM
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Senator Theo wrote:

You wanted a rebuild? You got it flames fans!

Don't be silly,

They will be trying to push for 8th place again next year while spending up to the cap again as Feaster claimed there will be teams needing to dump salary and Feaster will gladly line up for dog's breakfast. The opportunity to claim top 5 first rounders a few years in a row consecutively has never interested this org. They would rather hang their marketing campaign on one superstar if they find one again. Ugly.

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#220 Marcus
April 02 2013, 03:31AM
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c wrote:

Do you really think there is a plan? These guys are about 3 weeks removed from being willing to sell the farm for a 2nd line center and now they are blowing it up for marginal prospects.

Good one.

Yes this "retool" it's really as bad as you say it is. Maybe worse.

Reggie got two first rounders two years removed. That's better than Byron and Butler... Oh wait they were trying to shed salary to make a run for the cup..... Riiight.

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#221 Franko J
April 02 2013, 05:00AM
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@ CitizenFlame

" Is there any big UFA's that might be worth targeting with all of this extra cap space, come this July 1st?"

By looking at the free agency list most of the "big UFA's" are over 30 and none too appealing. However if the Flames are restructuring the roster and want to spend wisely here are some players who I would target:

Kyle Chipchura - C PHX

Peter Regin - C\W OTT

Mike Santorelli - C FLR

Chris Summers - D PHX

Davis Drewiskie - D LA

Matt Irwin - D SJS

Mason Raymond -L VAN

Viktor Stahlberg - L CHI

David Clarkson -R NJ

Just some thoughts on some players who I think could help this team.

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#222 Franko J
April 02 2013, 05:31AM
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With the Flames having potentially 3 picks in the first round, now Feaster should try and trade for a couple of second round picks. Even though I'm dissatisfied with the last two trades because of the lack of immediate help on the roster, I do like the fact that Feaster has yielded the Flames 3 first round picks. While most fans bemoan the fact we "didn't get anybody" and I am thinking another goaltender (what for?), I started thinking that with more picks and some savvy drafting, maybe in a few years the Flames will have enough young, NHL ready assets to either trade with or bolster the lineup.

For the longest time all I kept hearing was the "cupboards are bare" well now is the right time to restock them.

The truth of the matter is that Iginla, Bouwmeester, and Kiprusoff along with who knows who else on the current roster were tired and frustrated with losing and not making the playoffs. Each player can deny it, but who doesn't like playing in the playoffs? Given the opportunity they wanted out. Just like any divorce there will be heartbreak, dissatisfaction, and uncertainties. However bleak, the only good thing about a divorce is starting a clean slate or rebooting for both parties. With or without Iginla, Bouwmeester, and maybe Kiprusoff they had their time and opportunity to help this team into the playoffs and clearly they couldn't get it done.

Their best wasn't good enough. While they are not entirely to blame for the loses and ineptitude of not making the playoffs, they were accountable and looked upon to lead this team to better results and they just couldn't get it done.

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#223 Fotiu's Ghost
April 02 2013, 07:42AM
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Marcus wrote:

Good one.

Yes this "retool" it's really as bad as you say it is. Maybe worse.

Reggie got two first rounders two years removed. That's better than Byron and Butler... Oh wait they were trying to shed salary to make a run for the cup..... Riiight.

This is the thing.

Feaster put the offer sheet to O'Reilly on Feb 28th. We can assume - as he was willing to part with what could be a #1 draft pick to put O'Reilly on waivers - that he was still being "intellectually dishonest" about the team at that point.

He joined the Flames in July 2010. Then, at some point in March of 2013, the man found religion. Now he will lead us to the promised land!

I just can't abide this.

What was the dishonesty? Did he really believe the team was a contender? Did he believe this in spite of everything his staff was telling him? Did his staff think the team's a contender, or were they lying to him? Do the staff still think the team's a contender, or did also they "get honest" at some point in March? If the Flames hadn't dropped 10 on the road and instead were, say, 3 and 7, would management be honest?

It's a mess, top to bottom. As a fan, I can only hope they succeed in spite of themselves. Like if Forrest Gump were the GM.

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#224 Alt
April 02 2013, 07:44AM
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Calgary has dumped 14 million and will probably dump another 5 . That,s a good thing and will help them immensely this summer.

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#225 suba steve
April 02 2013, 07:50AM
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So with the current NHL standings we would be drafting #3, # 17, #29.

In 2003 Horton went #3, I'm hoping we can do better. Parise went #17, and Eaves went #29.

The only way all of this makes sense is if teams are holding on to 2013 first rounders with both hands in fear that the pick they hold will turn into the next Staal, Suter, Parise, etc.

I was among those that coveted these first rounders, can't wait for the draft.

Everyone is saying PIT is "All In" for the cup run. I'd say the Flames (and Feaster/Button especially) are All In for the 2013 entry draft. Let us pray!

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#226 HongKongHockeyFan
April 02 2013, 08:09AM
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Frankly, I'm still stunned over the Jaybo trade. Yeah, Jaybo was expensive but I'd rather overpay a player like Jaybo a couple million compared to overpaying guys like Sarich and Babchuck. We pay those guys a combined salary of US$4.5bn and we don't even dress them for most games.

If a good return can't be achieved then simply wait. I'm sure we could have squeezed better return for the Flames to wait until free agency/upcoming draft to unload Jaybo. The fact that the first round pick was a conditional pick and could in fact be pushed into the 2014 draft shows that Feaster has no idea how he wants to "retool' the team nor does he understand whether the 2013 or 2014 draft will be a better pool to pick from. To me this is the bigger flaw in his judgement that has been made.

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#227 Scary Gary
April 02 2013, 09:20AM
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@Franko J

I like Stahlberg, Regin and Clarkson, all >6'1, >200lbs.

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#228 Stockley
April 02 2013, 09:23AM
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HongKongHockeyFan wrote:

Frankly, I'm still stunned over the Jaybo trade. Yeah, Jaybo was expensive but I'd rather overpay a player like Jaybo a couple million compared to overpaying guys like Sarich and Babchuck. We pay those guys a combined salary of US$4.5bn and we don't even dress them for most games.

If a good return can't be achieved then simply wait. I'm sure we could have squeezed better return for the Flames to wait until free agency/upcoming draft to unload Jaybo. The fact that the first round pick was a conditional pick and could in fact be pushed into the 2014 draft shows that Feaster has no idea how he wants to "retool' the team nor does he understand whether the 2013 or 2014 draft will be a better pool to pick from. To me this is the bigger flaw in his judgement that has been made.

As much as I hate to defend this management team right now (especially after ranting against them last night) is there any chance this is doing right by a player? Iginla wanted the Penguins, he got the Penguins. Bouwmeester wants the playoffs, he has a shot at the playoffs now. Calgary is doing right by their players and not treating them like cattle (things haven't gotten ugly like Ryan Smyth being chased out of Edmonton over 500k). Organizations that do right by their players are much more attractive to free agents. Players will leave Calgary and (hopefully) tell their new teammates how well they were treated in Calgary from everyone involved directly with the team right down to the fans/community. If it makes Calgary an attractive destination for players around the league again then I'm all for it. Players are people, not just assets. I'm sure they appreciate being treated as such no matter how much we common folk might grumble at them for making so much money.

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#229 Stockley
April 02 2013, 09:25AM
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Scary Gary wrote:

I like Stahlberg, Regin and Clarkson, all >6'1, >200lbs.

People close to Clarkson claim he'd prefer to stay in the East.

Given that Calgary isn't going to contend for a few years I'd rather bring in guys who just want to play over trying to load up and rebuild via free agency. Ask the Panthers how wasting all that cap space on whoever wants a raise worked out; one playoff trip and now they're terrible again.

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#230 meat1
April 02 2013, 09:27AM
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I was in the group that felt now was the best time to move J-bo. My big issue now is to do with the return. First of all, getting St. Louis's ninth-ranked goalie prospect, adding to the glut of not-probably-good-enough goalies that we already have, makes little sense to me.

Secondly, the one reason I felt that the time would be right to make the trade had EVERYTHING to do with what is considered the deepest draft in years. It was obvious that J-bo was going to a playoff-contending team, so the pick coming back wasn't going to be a real high one. But in this years draft, that was probably acceptable. Now, however, if the Blues miss the playoffs (and they are a bubble team right now, and have had a disappointing year IMO) we have the pick slip to next year. If next year they rebound, their prospects contribute more, etc, we may find the first round pick to be in the mid-20's in a draft year that ISN'T as deep.

Furthermore, we are putting a lot of eggs into this basket called the draft. Knowing how long it takes a draft pick to become a player (in most cases here, it never happens) the quicker we make that pick, the sooner he can contribute.

My final take is on Kipper. And it ultimately is a question about our management. When you as an organization know that the Leafs are obviously serious about giving you something for a goalie who is 36, has been injured recently, and has not played to his standards all season...why does he play last night. The reward was nowhere near the risk. And he gets yanked. Nice.

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#231 Stockley
April 02 2013, 09:32AM
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meat1 wrote:

I was in the group that felt now was the best time to move J-bo. My big issue now is to do with the return. First of all, getting St. Louis's ninth-ranked goalie prospect, adding to the glut of not-probably-good-enough goalies that we already have, makes little sense to me.

Secondly, the one reason I felt that the time would be right to make the trade had EVERYTHING to do with what is considered the deepest draft in years. It was obvious that J-bo was going to a playoff-contending team, so the pick coming back wasn't going to be a real high one. But in this years draft, that was probably acceptable. Now, however, if the Blues miss the playoffs (and they are a bubble team right now, and have had a disappointing year IMO) we have the pick slip to next year. If next year they rebound, their prospects contribute more, etc, we may find the first round pick to be in the mid-20's in a draft year that ISN'T as deep.

Furthermore, we are putting a lot of eggs into this basket called the draft. Knowing how long it takes a draft pick to become a player (in most cases here, it never happens) the quicker we make that pick, the sooner he can contribute.

My final take is on Kipper. And it ultimately is a question about our management. When you as an organization know that the Leafs are obviously serious about giving you something for a goalie who is 36, has been injured recently, and has not played to his standards all season...why does he play last night. The reward was nowhere near the risk. And he gets yanked. Nice.

Until we no longer have any goalies named Miika I'm afraid no one else will ever get a realistic chance to prove they belong in the NHL. This team just doesn't trust anyone else to man the crease, which was proven last night. Getting rid of Miika might be addition through subtraction at this point. Time to fish or cut bait on a bunch of assets, particularly the half a million goalies we seem to own the rights to.

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#232 Scott Lemieux
April 02 2013, 10:04AM
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While granting that nothing that the Flames do deserves the benefit of the doubt, given how badly the organization has been run, I genuinely don't understand why people think this return is unreasonable. Bouwmeester is a good but not elite defenseman with the cap hit of an elite player. That's just not a hugely valuable player, especially with the cap about to be reduced by $10M. Indeed, before the season it would have been enormously difficult to just agree to get someone to take Bouwmeester's contract, period. His improved play this year did increase his value -- but the fact that he was pretty ordinary last year still matters to the team acquiring him. Getting a first rounder for that contract seems pretty fair to me.

There's no way to no for certain if more was available, and if someone trades a premium prospect for a player of comparable value, I'll change my mind. But I think this is enormously unlikely. Too many Flames fans have whipsawed from not even being willing to give Bouwmeester credit for being a good player to assuming that he's an elite player who should command a top return.

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#233 shutout
April 02 2013, 10:15AM
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@BurningSensation

The Feast had an interview where he admitted that he was the world's biggest idiot (paraphrased - think that he said that he failed to use intellectual honesty when evaluating the team and actually thought that they would be good enough) and that until that LA road trip thought the team was good enough when hockey experts have been saying the opposite for the last three years. This bumbling moron that has zero ability to properly evaluate his own team is now providing justification for deals that are incredibly one sided. If he was not smart enough to know his own team, how can he possibly be smart enough to make any sort of reasonable trade?

As for your idiotic comments and apologetic rambling you have about as much credibility as the Feast. You have been touting the team and its ability right behind that moron GM we have all the way. Now you are supporting these moves as if they were the Canadians deal that brought back Lafleur. You have zero hockey knowledge, a complete lack of common sense, and the online personality of a fire alarm.

As for that BURNINGSENSATION

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#234 shutout
April 02 2013, 10:16AM
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As for that BURNING SENSATION when you urinate that comes from keeping your junk too close to the Feasts hindquarters.

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#235 Picks & Prospects
April 02 2013, 10:20AM
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Sharks are seeking 1st + prospect for Clowe who is a 30y LW about to become UFA this summer and has a cap hit of 3.6m, and there are reports of tradetalks with Philly, even Couturiers name has been tossed around as a possible return for sharks. If these reports are true, Flames should really explore the possibility of trading Glencross, who compared to Clowe, has the same age, more term, better production this season and a lower cap hit, to philly. Couturier straight up or Phillys first + a possible prospect would be great return.

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#236 shutout
April 02 2013, 10:22AM
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Dear Mr Edwards,

While I appreciate having an owner that loves his team and has the financial where withal to be able to meet its monetary needs, I have to say that your ability to run this franchise as its owner has been less than satisfactory.

As such, I can no longer find it in good conscience to support this team going forward while you employ the incompetent abilities of Mr King and Mr Feaster. Please do yourself a favour this summer and fire your entire hockey operations department. Find yourself a proper hockey person to become the new President of the franchise and hire a General Manager that knows what he is talking about when it comes to the game of hockey.

Sincerely,

Mr Shutout

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#237 Kevin R
April 02 2013, 10:42AM
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Well I needed to take some time to sort out what is going down. Fact #1- it really does seem GM's are hanging tight to their 1st's this year. This must tell us what 29 other teams are thinking, this is a very strong draft. Fact#2- the cap going down is cramping teams style & it is very hard to trade high priced players. Fact#3- with the change to the lottery rule, teams on the bubble are very reluctant to give up that 1st & may not be the buyers in past trade deadlines, especially this year. One little 4 game losing streak at this stage of the season is fatal.

This all adds up to pretty underwhelming returns. Now for us to debate Feaster trade skills, maybe he just took the best offer that was on the table. We dont know. Feaster does. The one thing I do find quite upsetting is Feaster said in his statement, they had lots of offers but the teams on JBO's list just couldnt fit the 6.68mill salry cap hit next year. So OK, I buy that we got the best offer for JBO if you treat him as a salary dump. Similar to the garbage we got for RR, it was about dumping 7.0 mill in salary. I smelt a bit of Edwards on that one but King & Feaster were able to spin the cap hell angle to pacify us analysts. This time, I call BS!!! I saw no reason in not carrying 2.6 mill that we couldnt of gotten Rattie(or some reasonable decent prospect & a confirmed 2013 1st). I am very upset about this. Is this Feaster or do I smell Edwards. If this was Feasters choice, the man needs to be removed from this equation immediately.

Ok. Now that I got that off my chest. I am trying to read what is next. I guess we all complained about the country club mentality & yes these guys became used to losing. So yes, I guess the whole system needs to be power flushed & then flushed again. I would say Kipper & Cammi are going to be the next to go in this massive salary dump. Makes sense, 2 players with 1 year left each, jettisoning 12,8 mill more. Totally expecting the same underwhelming returns, unless by some miracle Feaster does eat some salary to improve the return. Not holding my breath. Then any other player should be for sale, but "NOT" for the same underwhelming returns the top 4 will have gotten. If we can get a 1st for GlenX, do it. If Columbus wants to give us a late 1st for Tamguay or Stempniak, do it. Otherwise, just get the mid late round picks for the likes of Sarich, Jackman, Begin, Babchuk, Macdonald, whatever.

What does this mean? Well the UFA list is pretty slim pickings. It will be an overpay fest for marginal/depth/role players. We dont need that next year. So how do we get to the Cap floor & whats the point of having all this friggin cap space? Well besides padding Edwards with an extra $15-20 mill operating at Cap floor while increasing my Season tickets, that is the most likely scenario. There is another angle. When the dust clears at the end of this season, many teams are going to be damage control & I'm hoping Flames maanagement see a few teams that are going to be in dire straits trying to get rid of some of the salary they have added for a playoff push. I hope we stick it to the teams that have stuck it to us these last few weeks & we become an option for expensive cap dumping ground. I have no faith in Feaster do this right, I think a guy like Burke would be like a kid in a candy shop.

So what does this mean

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#238 IMPEACH FEASTER
April 02 2013, 11:01AM
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I cannot understand how people can be so stupid and blind as to try and justify this deal as anything more than Feaster getting his ass handed to him. Burning sensation is an idiot has absolutely zero hockey sense and has nothing but heaps of praise for anything and everything Feaster. There is no rational thought when it comes to some of those idiots.

How in the hell is this the best possible deal for Bouwmeester? He is a top 25 defenseman in the league and all you get back is a first round pick? The goaltender is going to come in and compete with Ramo and MacDonald in the fall, but only somebody coming out of Oz would believe that we have the top 2 goaltenders in the world not playing in the NHL. I like the defenseman prospect and think based on what I read that he has a lot of Giordano potential to him. Giordano was not an NHL regular after his first three seasons and had to go to the KHL in order to get the experience to make the Flames. That said, he is a prospect you could have gotten for a 4th or 5th round pick at the draft. I understand that at this time with the contract and the cap situation that there might not have been more than a few high end teams that would have done a deal for him, but then why be forced into something now? This deal reminds me of the Kotalik deal. Send a 2nd round draft choice to Buffalo so that Edwards does not have to pay out $4M. In this case it was don’t worry about bringing back a high end prospect like Rattie if it means that Edwards is going to have to pay out $3M of Bouwmeester’s salary when he is in St Louis. The press conference where Feaster says that he must not have been using any intellectual honesty when evaluating the team, when almost every hockey person around was saying that they needed to rebuild three years ago. His intelligence is what we are supposed to trust when making trades for assets.

Until they fire King and Feaster I just cannot be a fan of this hockey team. I would rather have Milbury, Risebrough, Button, or Ferguson Jr as our general manager than have Feaster doing the job. This is an ugly long term never ending death spiral this franchise is in. The “young gun” era will seem like a walk through the Wonka chocolate factory compared to what the organization is about to embark on if they decide to keep King and Feaster in charge.

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#239 dotfras
April 02 2013, 11:25AM
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While the returns seem underwhelming, I think some of the people complaining on here have unrealistic perceptions of our players.

We got a first!

We got some prospects (albeit wildcards)

Teams aren't going to trade away top prospects for guys that aren't All Stars.

Bouwmeester is a solid player - nothing special though. His cap hit is high & he is a perennial loser. It's unrealistic to expect a 1st & a blue chip prospect for him.

Time to prepare for Young Guns 2.0.

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#240 Nick F
April 02 2013, 04:23PM
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While I support the re-tool/re-build unfortunately I share with many the concern that Feaster and company are the group capable of carrying it out.

The love affair with middling college players has reached alarming levels. The signings of 23-24 year old college free agents such as David Eddy and Lamb which are hearalded as if they have found an undiscovered gold field known only to them. Eddy did not make the AHL and is playing in the ECHL.

Regehr was traded to LA for 2 2nd round picks. Buffalo has reaped the benefit of 3-2nd rounders (2 from LA, 1 from Calgary)for Regehr in exchange for a 6 dman-Butler and a player who will liklely be a replacement level NHL or AHL player.Buffalo drafted Jake McCabe who as a freshman dman scored 3-9-12 for Wusconsin.

For Cammeleri who at 6 million is one of the most overpaid at that level in the league we gave another 2nd rounder to Montreal who drafted Dalton Thrower of Saskatoon Blades and gave up Patrick Holland who at 21 is tied for 2nd in scoring for their AHL affiliate Hamilton and was was invited to Montreal's reduced roster main camp and is highly valued for his defensive play and considered a prospect.

I could go on but I think I add my voice to the growing number who are concerned with management at such a critical time.

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