Why it seems unlikely that the Nashville Predators would trade Shea Weber

Jonathan Willis
May 01 2013 08:55AM

It’s (an understandable) dream of Oilers fans to see Shea Weber traded to Edmonton. Not only is he from Western Canada, big, strong and capable, but he’d fill the #1 defenceman hole that Edmonton has had since Chris Pronger left town.

Those dreams seem destined to go unfulfilled.

Get Used To Disappointment

Why would Nashville trade one of the league’s precious few franchise defenders? The answer always seems to be “they’re a small market club and they can’t afford him.” By their actions, though, it seems clear that the Predators have decided they can’t afford not to pay him.

The Economics of a Trade

Shea Weber signed his current contract – via a Philadelphia Flyers offer sheet – on July 19, 2012, forcing the Predators to either match and hang on to Weber for at least a year, or decline to match and accept four first-round picks in exchange for Weber’s services. The Flyers made it as difficult as possible for Nashville by structuring the contract to be extremely front-loaded.

No NHL player made more money in 2012-13 than Weber. More than that, Weber’s contract is structured to be heavily bonus-intensive – featuring a $1 million base salary and a $13 million signing bonus for each of the first four years. The signing bonuses mean that by the time Weber could be traded by the Predators, they will have paid $27 million of the $110 million on his contract – just slightly under one-quarter of his total contract in the first year.

Facing a $110 million decision, one has to think the Predators weighed the cost. None of these ramifications were unknown at the time; the Predators knew what they were getting into matching that offer sheet. If it made sense to sign him then, it’s hard to imagine they’re going to change their mind and move him after having already taken the worst lumps.

Certainly that’s the message general manager David Poile has always emphasized – asked about the possibility of a trade by CBC’s Elliotte Friedman in April, he made no secret as to his view:

We have a franchise goaltender and the best defenceman in the NHL ... We are building our team around them.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: either the Predators made a terrible mistake, Poile’s being disingenuous, and the team plans to try and get a better return than four first round picks after spending $27 million for 48 games or they really have no plans to trade Weber. The latter seems more likely to be reality than the former. None of that means the Oilers shouldn't ask, but it does mean not much is likely to come of it. 

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#1 Ducey
May 01 2013, 09:18AM
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There is an inverse relationship between intelligence and the number of times one suggests the Oilers trade for Webber.

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#2 106 and 106
May 01 2013, 09:24AM
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JW, THANK you for writing this. The Edmonton Oilers will not be receiving the services of Weber. Done. Let it go.

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#3 Butters
May 01 2013, 09:11AM
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" it’s hard to imagine they’re going to change their mind and move him after having already taken the worst lumps."

Bingo. Thanks for writing this JW. If only this article would put the Shea Weber fantasy to bed. I see Quick is still clutching at the dream though.

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#4 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 09:03AM
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If Gretzky can be traded... the unlikeliest of all hockey deals.

A team like the Predators, is much like the Oilers pre-lockout, hangers on in a small market. Operating near the bottom of the barrel counting heavily on revenue sharing to cover the shortfalls. There's no way they could ever afford to be a cap team. I believe the last 5 yrs they've been in the bottom 3 in the NHL as far as salaries go, consistently 10-13 million per season under the cap. Doesn't exactly scream, we're pushing to be the best. Looks more like, that's good enough for this market to me. The Predators have been building around their blueliner and goaltender, but they'll still be doing the same thing 5 yrs after these guys are retired. Unless the Preds get their hands on a generational type player, success will be difficult near the bottom of the barrel structure ownership is clinging to.

Too much coin tied up in one player. Poile would have to give it a second thought if Edmonton offered Eberle and Gagner to help bolster their top 6. Heck, give them Smid or Nick Shultz along with the first in 2014 as well.

Some trades are just good business transactions that help both hockey teams. I'm hoping.

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#5 GVBlackhawk
May 01 2013, 10:14AM
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vetinari wrote:

First, Nashville doesn't want to trade him, and second, even if they did, the return to Nashville would have to be huge.

Also, from a practical standpoint, Weber can't be traded until mid-July and I doubt that our "impatient GM" is going to sit by and let UFA's and trades happen without getting in on the action just on the chance that Poile might reverse course and set up a deal with the Oilers that they can afford. Not gonna happen...

What? Belanger, Peckham, NSchultz, Omark, and a 2014 3rd rounder won't get it done??

Delusion runs rampant in the Oilogosphere when it comes to Shea Weber.

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#6 Ducey
May 01 2013, 11:41AM
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DSF wrote:

They won't be "fine".

None of that group has the tools to be a legit #1 or #2 D.

If Junior learns how to play some defense, he might eventually be a good #2 but that is likely some years away.

If the Oilers want to be competitive in the next 2-3 years, they need to find at least one top pairing D and they can't afford to wait while burning through ELC's.

That's why this "rebuild" has always been doomed to failure.

Proper rebuilds are done from the backend out since D men and goaltenders take much longer to develop.

Oh no! I better start cheering for another random team!

How about say, the Canucks? They gave up a whole 13 goals less than the Oilers. They are so much better with their #1 Dman. Who is that again?

Maybe Columbus. DSF says they are good. Oh, wait, they didn't make the playoffs. Maybe we can get their GM though.

Nashville then? They have the best Dman in history and a brilliant GM. Wait, but they finished behind Edmonton and gave up more goals. Rats.

Oh Minni. Thats right. They have the other best Dman in history and gave up so many fewer goals than the Oilers. Whats that? Yeah, 7 fewer goals.

No way the Oilers could ever improve by 7 goals against.

THEY ARE DOOMED!

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#7 djc
May 01 2013, 08:37PM
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DSF wrote:

When someone makes the claim that the Oilers have drafted well after the 3 first round picks, it's pretty easy to demonstrate that is NOT true.

Their record is actually pretty bad and "random players" prove it pretty clearly.

Do you have anything else in your life besides trying to point out Oiler faults? This article posted at 9AM and you have commented all throughout the day. I didn't bother counting but just noticed i was skipping over your name even more than usual. What exactly are you trying to prove? That you are smarter than everyone? A better scout than anyone the oilers have? That the teams you pick are awesome making you awesome too? Do you want an internet trophy? A gift card to Oodle Noodle? A pat on the head?

I honestly don't know how you have the time to do this all day, every single day on every single oilers article? Do you not have ANYTHING else in your life ... a job ... a family ... friends? Did the Oilers turn you down for a job? Did Gagner bang your girlfriend? Why so much anger? How does an article about Weber even turn into complaining about drafting Gagner 6 years ago?

You can point out all the facts you want and call everyone fanboys, but you really need to get something else in your life besides posting obsessively about a team you don't even like. Katz, Lowe, Mactavish, Gagner, etc don't care what you think and neither do most of the people who log on to the site for 5 minutes a day to catch up on some Oilers news.

If your goal is just to irritate people, well then good job since now I am irritated that I just wasted 5 minutes of my life writing this ...

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#8 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 09:32AM
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Maybe you guys are right. Lowe will never pull a Pronger out of his hat again. Why even bother raising expectations for the third highest ticket prices in the league.

This is as good as it gets Edmonton. Just making the playoffs again is as good as it gets for this most northern outpost.

Weber to Edmonton, the laughing stock of the NHL....what a laugher! Will the last overpaid, underachieving veteran playing out his golden years here, please turn out the lights before leaving town.

Quitters rejoice, and pile on!

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#9 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 09:41AM
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Ducey wrote:

There is an inverse relationship between intelligence and the number of times one suggests the Oilers trade for Webber.

Your post also appears to be lacking in some intelligence there as well Ducey....just sayin.

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#10 Yep
May 01 2013, 09:48AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Maybe you guys are right. Lowe will never pull a Pronger out of his hat again. Why even bother raising expectations for the third highest ticket prices in the league.

This is as good as it gets Edmonton. Just making the playoffs again is as good as it gets for this most northern outpost.

Weber to Edmonton, the laughing stock of the NHL....what a laugher! Will the last overpaid, underachieving veteran playing out his golden years here, please turn out the lights before leaving town.

Quitters rejoice, and pile on!

Really? Just because people are being realistic and don't expect the best defensemen in the game to get traded to the Oilers suddenly means that they dont want the Oilers to improve? Give your head a shake man and stop the being bloody dramatic. Of course everyone here wants to see the Oilers improve. You know what we dont want to see? We don't want to see this club chase another elite player, not land him, and not have a backup plan.

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#11 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 01:39PM
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Some people feel the Oilers can get Weber for Gagner, Hemsky and the rights to Omark.

Give it a rest. No more white whales.

If Weber was to ever be traded the cost would be one if not two of the kids. There would also be 29 other teams upping the price.

Just let the dream die folks.

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#12 Ducey
May 01 2013, 10:06AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Your post also appears to be lacking in some intelligence there as well Ducey....just sayin.

Come on. Thats the smartest post ever!

Look, why don't you focus on reality. The Oilers ideally need to get a #1 Dman. If we look at Weber (a 49th pick), OEL (6th), Doughty (2nd overall), Keith (54th) it would seem the Oilers could pick up a guy who has been drafted and has not yet become the next great defenseman or focus on drafting him themselves.

They have the chance to pick the best defenseman not named Jones in a deep draft with their #7 pick. That guy might be able to help them in a year.

I suggest that rather than break the bank trying to get someone next year that they focus on development.

Take the best guy they can at #7, sign Streit to a three year deal, and trade Hemsky for another good prospect.

Next year you have Streit, Petry, Smid, Shultz x2, and Fistric as your top 6. Potter is #7 and on the farm you have Klefbom, Marincin, Musil (who has been a beast in the playoffs), and the prospect from Hemsky. Your #7 is a year away with Gernat, Davidson, Simpson still coming.

By midseason you might have Marincin and Klefbom playing in the NHL as needed.

That would constitute some tremendous depth at defense and is only a year away.

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#13 Jerod
May 01 2013, 10:23AM
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Ducey wrote:

Come on. Thats the smartest post ever!

Look, why don't you focus on reality. The Oilers ideally need to get a #1 Dman. If we look at Weber (a 49th pick), OEL (6th), Doughty (2nd overall), Keith (54th) it would seem the Oilers could pick up a guy who has been drafted and has not yet become the next great defenseman or focus on drafting him themselves.

They have the chance to pick the best defenseman not named Jones in a deep draft with their #7 pick. That guy might be able to help them in a year.

I suggest that rather than break the bank trying to get someone next year that they focus on development.

Take the best guy they can at #7, sign Streit to a three year deal, and trade Hemsky for another good prospect.

Next year you have Streit, Petry, Smid, Shultz x2, and Fistric as your top 6. Potter is #7 and on the farm you have Klefbom, Marincin, Musil (who has been a beast in the playoffs), and the prospect from Hemsky. Your #7 is a year away with Gernat, Davidson, Simpson still coming.

By midseason you might have Marincin and Klefbom playing in the NHL as needed.

That would constitute some tremendous depth at defense and is only a year away.

Adam Larsson huge upside, NJ needs forwards, may be the right timing for a deal.

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#14 DSF
May 01 2013, 06:34PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Let me walk you through this...

A) Would it ever be possible the Predators may find themselves in a position that they need to move Weber.....Yes

B) Would it ever be possible Weber goes to Poile and asks to be moved....Yes

C) Do the requirements/direction of an NHL team change on a year to year basis.....Yes

D) Does Shea Weber have a NMC.....No.

Shut the Muck up, all of you!

Can the Oilers afford Weber's cap hit and pay the kids?

No.

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#15 Taylor Gang
May 01 2013, 09:30AM
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Butters wrote:

" it’s hard to imagine they’re going to change their mind and move him after having already taken the worst lumps."

Bingo. Thanks for writing this JW. If only this article would put the Shea Weber fantasy to bed. I see Quick is still clutching at the dream though.

This

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#16 Butters
May 01 2013, 09:58AM
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@Quick

Nashville had to retain the services of Weber. He is their only marquee player imo. They lost Suter and I suspect the fanbase would not have reacted well to losing Weber as well. They paid a steep price to keep people shuffling to the ticket window. Trading Weber, even in a deal that mekes sense hockey-wise to their club, may not go over well in that market.

I too am an Oiler fan tired of my team living in the basement, but trading Weber makes no sense from the Nashville side of the ledger.

Now about Lucic...

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#17 GVBlackhawk
May 01 2013, 10:19AM
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Ducey wrote:

Come on. Thats the smartest post ever!

Look, why don't you focus on reality. The Oilers ideally need to get a #1 Dman. If we look at Weber (a 49th pick), OEL (6th), Doughty (2nd overall), Keith (54th) it would seem the Oilers could pick up a guy who has been drafted and has not yet become the next great defenseman or focus on drafting him themselves.

They have the chance to pick the best defenseman not named Jones in a deep draft with their #7 pick. That guy might be able to help them in a year.

I suggest that rather than break the bank trying to get someone next year that they focus on development.

Take the best guy they can at #7, sign Streit to a three year deal, and trade Hemsky for another good prospect.

Next year you have Streit, Petry, Smid, Shultz x2, and Fistric as your top 6. Potter is #7 and on the farm you have Klefbom, Marincin, Musil (who has been a beast in the playoffs), and the prospect from Hemsky. Your #7 is a year away with Gernat, Davidson, Simpson still coming.

By midseason you might have Marincin and Klefbom playing in the NHL as needed.

That would constitute some tremendous depth at defense and is only a year away.

That top 6 of Streit, Smid, NSchultz, JSchultz, Petry, and Fistric is not very good -- certainly not good enough for a playoff team.

And don't listen to Oilers management. Klefbom and (especially) Marincin are not going to step in next year and make an impact. In fact, Marincin would likely get massacred in the NHL at this point. They should develop in the minors until their abilities reach the point that the Oilers are forced to bring them up.

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#18 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 10:26AM
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@Ducey

Look, why don't you focus on reality. [quote}

Deals are made for many reasons Ducey. Some players/contracts are sold under wishes of ownership/group, and some are just old fashioned hockey deals. All are still deals, no matter what prompts a deal. Getting themselves out from under this financial burden is reason enough to believe this is at all a possibility. If they act in the next 12 months they can still rid themselves of 75% of the value of that 110 million dollar contract.

Is this not the said reality you've mentioned here? I like you Ducey (gives Ducey a head wash) but we've put up with a lot of ship here these last 7 yrs. This needs to change.

You have to give me credit Ducey. The vision of desperate Oiler fan on his knees begging for his monies worth, is appropriate at this time, is it not? Lets just milk it for the summer.

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#19 RexLibris
May 01 2013, 10:31AM
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If it appears almost certain that the Predators would not trade Weber then perhaps there is a silver lining in it all.

That being that the Oilers might be able to interest the Flyers in a trade. Presumably the Flyers would be the one team most interested, or at least most aggressive, in trying to land Weber. If they have deemed certain assets as expendable by trade then perhaps the Oilers could find something to pique their interest.

As for the Oilers/Weber pipe dream, the Oilers need to find their own Weber, not go chasing after the same one everybody wants.

Drafting one at #7 this year likely isn't the answer either as it would probably take at least three years before that player could contribute to the team. The better use of a draft pick might be to select Samuel Morin in the 2nd round this year.

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#20 OilersBrass
May 01 2013, 10:36AM
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106 and 106 wrote:

JW, THANK you for writing this. The Edmonton Oilers will not be receiving the services of Weber. Done. Let it go.

Amen to that!

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#21 The Soup Fascist
May 01 2013, 10:57AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Look, why don't you focus on reality. [quote}

Deals are made for many reasons Ducey. Some players/contracts are sold under wishes of ownership/group, and some are just old fashioned hockey deals. All are still deals, no matter what prompts a deal. Getting themselves out from under this financial burden is reason enough to believe this is at all a possibility. If they act in the next 12 months they can still rid themselves of 75% of the value of that 110 million dollar contract.

Is this not the said reality you've mentioned here? I like you Ducey (gives Ducey a head wash) but we've put up with a lot of ship here these last 7 yrs. This needs to change.

You have to give me credit Ducey. The vision of desperate Oiler fan on his knees begging for his monies worth, is appropriate at this time, is it not? Lets just milk it for the summer.

I watched the replay of NC State 1983 NCAA Basketball championship story on 30 for 30 yesterday. What I got out of that was:

1. It is good to think about your dreams every day - and you should dream big dreams.

2. Don't ever give up the fight (I just realized that Valvano may have stolen that line from "The Untouchables", but it was way more powerful coming from him than Costner)

So Quickie, you can dream that dream and no one should have any problem with it. And MacT should inquire about the opportunity - more than once - and "fight" for an elite defenseman.

As long as MacT does not focus on an unlikely homerun to forego a bunch of singles (a'la Tamblowelinni putting all their eggs in the Marian Hossa basket a couple of seasons ago) - what is the harm?

**OK I think I used up analogies / references to about 5 different sports. Do I get an Oodle Noodle prize pack, or what?

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#22 15w40
May 01 2013, 11:35AM
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Weber isn't happening.

Try and move some of the Oilers' assets to get one or both of Shattenkirk and Chris Stewart and maybe throw in Ryan Reaves for good measure as a 3rd/4th line punisher.

This will cost some current roster players from both the forwards and the defense, but these are the types that the Oilers need.

Will the blues be able to keep both Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo? I can't see them parting with the latter. He could be a future captain. That and they have Bouwmeester signed for next year at 6.7 mill.

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#23 SrCain
May 01 2013, 12:26PM
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DSF wrote:

They won't be "fine".

None of that group has the tools to be a legit #1 or #2 D.

If Junior learns how to play some defense, he might eventually be a good #2 but that is likely some years away.

If the Oilers want to be competitive in the next 2-3 years, they need to find at least one top pairing D and they can't afford to wait while burning through ELC's.

That's why this "rebuild" has always been doomed to failure.

Proper rebuilds are done from the backend out since D men and goaltenders take much longer to develop.

So DSF, when a team is picking first overall for 3 yrs straight, and starting a rebuild, what do you do if the majority of top ranked prospects are forwards in those years. Like they were with oilers?

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#24 Yak Attack
May 01 2013, 12:59PM
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SrCain wrote:

So DSF, when a team is picking first overall for 3 yrs straight, and starting a rebuild, what do you do if the majority of top ranked prospects are forwards in those years. Like they were with oilers?

My issue is that it is very easy to pick first in the first round. Where are all of our early second and third round picks ?

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#25 oilerjed
May 01 2013, 01:17PM
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@Jerod

"Adam Larsson huge upside, NJ needs forwards, may be the right timing for a deal."

I have to say I like this idea of sending our offensive players to the East Rather then to a western conference foe.

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#26 The Soup Fascist
May 01 2013, 01:40PM
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Sorry...saw a recent interview with JD...he is very sold on Murray.

But I am not sure what else you would expect him to say .... "Fellas, this guy is smallish and potentially overrated" ??

I have had the opportunity to watch Murray play since Bantam and he has been an exceptional hockey player - no BS. His greatest asset is that he does everything well.

The concern I have is that he doesn't do any ONE thing exceptionally great. That could be trouble at the NHL level. If he becomes the second coming of Scott Niedermeyer, that would be wonderful. I fear though, that he may track closer to a Kris Russell type of player.

I will not be disappointed if I am wrong, he seems like a good kid. But I think Yak will ultimately be the more impactful player.

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#27 Freewheeling Fred
May 01 2013, 02:21PM
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Back in 2006 when the Oilers traded for chris pronger who would have believed that could happen.The city was very excited. We need another monster trade to get this city pumped about the Oilers.We need Shea Webber. Next year with realignment the opposition will include some big tough players. The current d corp would get manhandled. With the young d coming in Webber would be a great mentor.Offer Nashville Gagner Petry a prospect and a first. Get er done Mac

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#28 Rama Lama
May 01 2013, 06:59PM
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Whichever team trades for Webber will eventually regret this decision........just how many times do we have to watch this movie?

It seems that whenever a big name signs for a trillion bucks somewhere, their play goes south and the team is now saddled with an untradeable asset. Ask NYR how all their superstars are working out for them?

I would much rather grow our players instead of overpaying for them on the UFA and trade front. Trading for Webber would cost this franchise in so many ways for so long.......right now Souray looks as good a player as Webber. We may already have a mini-WEbber in Klefblom?

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#29 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 07:09PM
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@DSF

You may be right on those points, but, DSF, you are picking out random players that teams took flyers on (Stepan?). Anybody can do that for ANY team!

Do you ACTUALLY think the teams that took those players have such better scouts? Or did they get lucky?

Horcoff #99. Petry #45. Kyle Brodziak #215. Stoll #36. Greene #44. Every team gets lucky in the latter rounds. You can't use that as conclusive evidence.

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#30 TigerUnderGlass
May 01 2013, 08:05PM
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@DSF

Montreal has great scouts. In the Gagner draft (2007) the Habs got McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban and Jannik Webber. The Oilers, despite having THREE first round picks, ended up with Gagner, Plante, Nash, Omark and Kytnar.

In 2008 they drafted Danny Kristo, Steve Quailer, Jason Missiaen, Maxim Trunev, and Patrick Johnson.

Though I suppose in 2009 they struck gold with Louis Leblanc right?

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#31 genoreda
May 01 2013, 08:26PM
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In the last 6 years, disregarding the 1st overall picks who could have been selected by Maggie the Money, the Oilers have drafted TWO NHL players and one of those players, Paajarvi, would be in the AHL on any good NHL team.

In the same time frame, Montreal has drafted 7 players who are already established NHL players with Tinordi and Beaulieu very close.

That the Habs accomplished that while drafting much lower than the Oilers gives you a pretty good idea about the skill of their amateur scouts.

Good grief...the Oilers had THREE first round picks in 2007 and all of them look like mistakes.

why does this guy go out of his way to troll?

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#32 madjam
May 01 2013, 08:39PM
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I find it ironic that ON has gone from crying to be patient. to lets be like MacT. more jmpatient . Where are those people now ?

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#33 Walter Sobchak
May 01 2013, 09:31PM
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As for Weber, here is the issue with the Predators as I see it.

The Predators need to win and make the playoff's to generate any type of support or financial benefits.

They are hemorrhaging money and are being propped up by us already.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120429/NEWS01/304290057/Profit-eludes-Nashville-Predators-despite-ice-success-public-money?nclick_check=1

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/nas120814.html

http://www.forbes.com/teams/nashville-predators/

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/22/predators-chairmans-bold-statements-will-be-put-to-the-test/

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/19/agent-weber-doesnt-want-to-go-through-another-rebuilding-process/

So as you can see, the article which was nicely written by Mr. Willis should have said, why it seems just as likely the Predators will be trading Weber.

So the Predators clearly can't keep paying his salary, Mr Weber will not stay around for another rebuild, so whats a team to do?

They have to trade him, which will benefit Predators, a 4 to 1 trade would get the Predator back into the playoffs.

As much as Weber is a beast he's worth more to the Predators as a trade asset in every possible way.

Now I'm not saying he will come to Edmonton but clearly he will benefit the Predators more by being traded.

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#34 Wäx Män Riley
May 02 2013, 12:11AM
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DSF wrote:
In the last 6 years, disregarding the 1st overall picks who could have been selected by Maggie the Money, the Oilers have drafted TWO NHL players and one of those players, Paajarvi, would be in the AHL on any good NHL team. In the same time frame, Montreal has drafted 7 players who are already established NHL players with Tinordi and Beaulieu very close. That the Habs accomplished that while drafting much lower than the Oilers gives you a pretty good idea about the skill of their amateur scouts. Good grief...the Oilers had THREE first round picks in 2007 and all of them look like mistakes.
So the Oilers have to throw out their first rounder while Montreal gets to keep them? If you take away their last three first round picks like you want to do for Edmonton you are left with ONLY 2007 picks and Gallagher. What have the Oilers picked since 2007 if you subtract their last three firsts? MPS, Eberle, Gagner, with Hartikainen and Lander with a shot at becoming regulars and a hndful of Defensemen with a reasonable chance at becoming NHL players. You want to stack the deck on MTLs favor before comparing, but when you do the comparison fairly there is not much to separate the teams. Subban was a fantastic find, but other than that I don't see the evidence of a vastly superior scouting group.

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#35 Taylor Gang
May 01 2013, 09:05AM
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His contract would be the biggest albatross down the road. It would be much smarter to go for a cheaper alternative. Perhaps a risk on Tyler Myers? I just don't see why we need a Dman of Weber's caliber. It reminds me of when I was listening to OilersNow and someone called in saying "Bob did you hear about the Nugent-Hopkins and a first for Malkin rumours?"

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#36 Jerod
May 01 2013, 09:28AM
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I agree

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#37 vetinari
May 01 2013, 09:32AM
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First, Nashville doesn't want to trade him, and second, even if they did, the return to Nashville would have to be huge.

Also, from a practical standpoint, Weber can't be traded until mid-July and I doubt that our "impatient GM" is going to sit by and let UFA's and trades happen without getting in on the action just on the chance that Poile might reverse course and set up a deal with the Oilers that they can afford. Not gonna happen...

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#38 DieHard
May 01 2013, 09:41AM
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At what point did Weber become Weber? Maybe we already have him and just don't know it.

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#39 Joel
May 01 2013, 09:45AM
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Seems like the Oilers have been searching for Milan Lucic for ever, looks to me like Nichushkin is somewhat close probably more skilled and much less apt to fight.

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#40 Cody anderson
May 01 2013, 09:57AM
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It never hurts to ask, the same as it wouldn't hurt to ask about Crosby, Malkin, Toewes, Tavares, Getzlaf etc.

The fact remains unless a team is really trying to change their dynamic very few teams move their superstars without a huge overpay going in the other direction.

Unless a trade is demanded the chances that he leaves there in his prime are slim. Our best bet is hoping drafting works out, or looking at project Dmen.

People that have the size and the skillset but for whatever reason have yet to put it all together.

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#41 admiralmark
May 01 2013, 10:15AM
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So you're sayin there's a chance?!! I read gyah!

Lol.. certain fans just will not get rid of this pipe dream.

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#42 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 10:16AM
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@Butters

Edmonton has been on the short end of this scenario far too many times these last 20 yrs. The Predators have some lunch money in their pocket and one of the bullies in the schoolyard (the "have" Oilers) wants it.

I know the last 4 yrs have been difficult, I can identify with Lowe driving this thing face first into the mud to collect lotto picks/assets. The goal now needs to be putting things back together instead of breaking it apart. It's just nice to be able to go somewhere (here )and converse about things that cross our mind, but don't matter in the overall scheme of things. Our NHL is living in a too many teams, not enough talent, hell.

Time to plunder someone elses dungeon.

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#43 Butters
May 01 2013, 10:31AM
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@Quick The difficulty for us fans is not the length of the rebuild, but the length of time the Oilers have been terrible. That's what is making us impatient. But it is difficult to weave straw into gold and yet we fans expect that. We still need both better roster players and better prospects.

Trading for a stud dman may cost 1 or 2 of our fab 5 That may mean we are still running on the spot for another season or taking a step backwards. Fixing this will not be easy.

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#44 madjam
May 01 2013, 10:37AM
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Nashville kept him because they felt whomever got him the 4 first round picks would not equate to Weber , as that team probably would have flourished with him . There hands were tied and they'll probably get more for him via trade at a later date . Seems to me Weber was welcoming going elsewhere after they let Suter go - so he might not be a happy camper .If so , and considering Nashville did little this season with Weber in lineup then he could be readily be available for the right price . Not a price I believe reasonable for us , however .

I feel they would like to move him before he demands a trade and lowers his value to them . After the signup money is done then they could be in a vary precarious position with him if he wants out .

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#45 Ducey
May 01 2013, 10:47AM
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That top 6 of Streit, Smid, NSchultz, JSchultz, Petry, and Fistric is not very good -- certainly not good enough for a playoff team.

And don't listen to Oilers management. Klefbom and (especially) Marincin are not going to step in next year and make an impact. In fact, Marincin would likely get massacred in the NHL at this point. They should develop in the minors until their abilities reach the point that the Oilers are forced to bring them up.

You have another year of development for J Schultz, Petry and Smid and get rid of whatever BS system they had last year and they will be fine.

Marincin is 6'5", has decent speed, put up 30 pts in 69 games in OKC and led the team in +/-with a +20 in his rookie year. He is going to be a good player.

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#46 Butters
May 01 2013, 10:52AM
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@Ducey "...get rid of whatever BS system they had last year..."

There was a system?

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#47 DSF
May 01 2013, 10:56AM
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Ducey wrote:

You have another year of development for J Schultz, Petry and Smid and get rid of whatever BS system they had last year and they will be fine.

Marincin is 6'5", has decent speed, put up 30 pts in 69 games in OKC and led the team in +/-with a +20 in his rookie year. He is going to be a good player.

They won't be "fine".

None of that group has the tools to be a legit #1 or #2 D.

If Junior learns how to play some defense, he might eventually be a good #2 but that is likely some years away.

If the Oilers want to be competitive in the next 2-3 years, they need to find at least one top pairing D and they can't afford to wait while burning through ELC's.

That's why this "rebuild" has always been doomed to failure.

Proper rebuilds are done from the backend out since D men and goaltenders take much longer to develop.

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#48 merfer
May 01 2013, 10:59AM
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The answer is not to trade for Weber because that contract would kill our team in time and Nashville would want way to much. The answer is to find the next Shea Weber. I don't have the answer to this but that is what the Oilers should be looking for. Is there even someone remotely close who needs a few more seasons to mature, who could be the next one. Is Erik Gudbranson or Alex Pietrangelo possible choices and could their teams be persuaded to trade with us? Forget Weber and look into the future. I think that's all MacT can do.

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#49 vetinari
May 01 2013, 11:06AM
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What? Belanger, Peckham, NSchultz, Omark, and a 2014 3rd rounder won't get it done??

Delusion runs rampant in the Oilogosphere when it comes to Shea Weber.

@GVBlackhawk - Belanger, Peckham, NShultz, Omark and a 3rd rounder likely wouldn't get you a bus pass from Nashville, let alone Weber.

As an aside, I was in Nashville two weeks ago for a friend's wedding but unfortunately, the Pred's were on the road or else I would have taken in a game. The team was almost invisible in their newspaper's sports section and I'm sure every player of the Pred's lived in relative anonymity down there.

If you wanted to talk college sports, basketball, baseball or NASCAR, guys knew that stuff... you want to talk hockey, good luck with that! I tried to convince one set of Americans that hockey was as "down south" as it got-- you had toothless, bearded guys fightin' and a feudin' with weapons against a bunch of northerners-- why wouldn't they watch that? But apparently, the ice thing is a no go, they have trouble following the play, have no idea how to pronounce player's names and have no idea what the rules are ("icing" occurs on more than just cakes, gentlemen).

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#50 Shredder
May 01 2013, 11:18AM
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Ok, no more trades Weber rumors. Check. Glad someone is smartening up the fans.

Now let the Gudbranson/Pietriangelo/Bogosian rumors start up.

It would be great to get that franchise dman, but I think if we got some depth there, we could forego trading too much to get it. Like The Soup Facist said: "an unlikely homerun to forego a bunch of singles"...meaning let's get some decent defensemen, and our prospects (Klefbom maybe) could eventually turn into the guy everyone is looking for anyways.

Our defense sucks, but if we add some quality (just not necessarily the best in the league) and then some 2 way guys up front, and a little size, we should be playoff bound. Then we can make decisions on where to go from there to be a contender.

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